Shortly ? I doubt about it 
But maybe Rising 2009 or 2010 will be. Anyway, the lion is working very nicely on my moms lappy :-TU
Hey Commodus, this is proof that you love your Mom, nice gift & all it cost you was a little time and nothing else, I bet she appreciates your thoughtfulness towards her laptop, she ever notice the Lion on the top right during XP bootup welcome screen? Have her point to it to reassure her that she is indeed protected by the Lionā¦
Rgds
Xman (:s*) (:s*) (:s*) (:s*)
(:KWL)
!ot! Somehow I feel that you Zodiak sign is a Lion ;D Yes, she noticed the Lion on the top of the screen and asked me if everything is okay about it 
She has NO knowlege about PC security, hell she doesnāt understand anything about it (even that she got 92 points out of 100 on her PC course test ;D) All she uses are Internet and e-mail. But she is quite carefull and let me take a look first if something is not okay or she thinks something is not okay. ;D
Cheers Xman :ā ā ā ā
Hey Commodus, Iām 49 yrs old & a Capricorn 16th of Jan, and in the bootup welcome screen on mouse pointer of the Lion head you see what Rising protection is running. Xanās offline Commodus think he crashed his comp with Rising?
Joke , Iām anxious to see what happened to himā¦
Cheers :ā ā ā ā
Xman 8)
Right; so - can you create your own completely up-to-date installation package with all the updates included with Avira, Avast, NOD32/ESS or KAV, while speaking about the competition? Thatās the whole reason whyās it 160 megs, and ā ā ā ā how does it matter with those 1TB HDDs today? Can we focus on something that really matters instead, perhaps?
Ehhhh, (takes a bite of a carrot) whats up doc ? ;D Yes, this is a nice feature of Rising Antivirus and other companys should offer this feature too :-TU
About the space - Iām a fan of minimalism. The thing is - if one antivirus maker can fit itās product into a small package with almost the same features, while the other goes the bloated way, means that something is wrong with the design of the product.
Thats why people hate Vista. The features are almost the same as in XP, but the space taken is 10 fold bigger.
None of the products youāve mentioned offer this feature. In fact, commercial stuff for $$$ such as SEP11 canāt do this either, it cannot include the updates into the package. And if you feel like complaining about ābloatedā, this feature produced by Symantec keeps eating GBs of disk space and growing.
If one managed several workstations with older hard drives that are still working perfectly fine, and also relied on centralized storage, I can see how this would matter. 88)
I say again, Itās a very nice feature, but not a killer one Very useful for people with slow internet connection. But as you said before - who cares about space when there are Terabyte capacity disks available ? Then who cares about people on dial-up, when the internet is getting faster and faster ?
Even with dial-up - people should download updates with no problems, because they should be small. If the updates are 5 meg large - that shows another flaw in the products design
Anyway, Iām not saying that Risng is bad. NO ! But to fit into my ācool programā standarts it should be at leat 100 mb smaller. Itās only my opinion.
I agree with Comm. When I installed Rising I was amazed at the 184 MB folder. Avast and NOD32 took about 20-30. Now KAV 09 uses only 21.8. There is no reason the folder size has to be so big. Remember not all people have machines like us. There are still tons of people out there with only 10 GIG hard drives. Rising one day may be could but for now there are too many cons for me to use it. Only pro to me is that its free.
Vett - KAV takes more than 21.8 MB, there is a hidden folder with additional 30-40 MB !ot! Sorry :-[
Rising is in the middle. Ar least not like Norton, Panda or F-Secure with their 300 + installations ;D
Well no, they donāt take anything like 20-30 MB. Iād suggest that you look at %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Application Data\ stuff to get a real idea on disk space usage. Other than that, Iām tired of this debate about 100MB of disk space which brings absolutely nothing to the topic.
(While at it, run cleanmgr and see how much disk space you are wasting in temporary files and similar junk).
People can justify all they want by pointing out terabyte drives and dubious āfeaturesā, but the bottom line is that Rising at this point is BLOATED with regards to disk space usage.
(:NRD)
Before I reserve 160+ mb for an AV, ANY AV, I drop AVs altogether and rely on products like CFP 3 with D+.
!ot!
Yeah, great example of more totally useless and pointless bashing of a product. Gah, ā ā ā ā ā your arguments about reasons why it takes the space it takes, itās bloated bloated bloated t3h noes bloated I say bloatedā¦ This thread apparently has exhausted itself, so instead of discussing the quality and problems of the product people keep inventing imaginary issues about having wasted precious 100MB of disk space when they are losing in average 10x that much on temporary junk they never clean and never realize itās there and claim that their super-light FOO AV takes ~20 MB when it takes 4 times that space in fact, but they never bothered to research enough to find out.
!ot!
:P0l :P0l :P0l :P0l :P0l :P0l
Guys please behave
I'm anxious to see what happened to him...Errrr .... I just went sleeping 88), thx for asking
I had a problem with the rising online installer, but I will try the normal installer later today ā¦
Xan
If X antivirus product only takes, and these are not accurate numbers, 30MB of space and Y takes 100MB of space, and both do exactly the same thing - detect - then arenāt we talking about quality of a product?
X antivirus was coded so that it would only take 30MB of disk space. Y antivirus was coded in a way that occupies 100MB.
Well, is more than evident that the vendor that develops X antivirus has great coders, while the other doesnāt.
And why are they bad coders? Simple because they canāt develop their antivirus with optimized code to take less space.
If one can do that and still provide one of the best protection (detection) available out there, doesnāt that make of it a product of quality?
It is not a matter of Z person having a 1TB hard disk.
If the 100MB antivirus had more quality, in terms of detection, then the size would not matter. That is clearly not the case. So, bigger does not mean better.
But Rising is sort of new out there, so lets give time to its coders to do a better job with it and see how it will be in the future.
I want to throw in an totally new argument.
I donāt care about the diskspace (150mb here), I only care about the memory it uses. And thatās when running normally, around 7.000 kb here :). No program like Kaspersky, or even Antivir (on my pc) match that.
Xan
Yes, I agree, itās very light. But when I tested it on a weak laptop, (1.5 GHZ single core AMD and only 192 MB RAM on a seriously nLited XP) the computer was bogged down. It felt heavy, the main menu took 5 seconds to show, while Avira was working very nicely and lightly. Maybe you need a more powerfull PC for Rising to feel good ? 88) Something like Norton ???
- Me ? stronger pc ? Noooo, not really ;). Errrā¦ owke, perhaps he isnāt that bad ;D
I found that Rising is really light, or perhaps itās just the 64 bit ? Anyway, as I hate antivirusses anyway, I kicked it off again.
(Anyway, Iām thinking about retrying Norton)
Xan
Bashing of a product? Where did I bash the product? I stated a fact, which no amount of cheerleading can change, which is that as for disk space usage, the product is BLOATED.
...people keep inventing imaginary issues about having wasted precious 100MB of disk space when they are losing in average 10x that much on temporary junk they never clean and never realize it's there...This logic is quite faulty. Just because I am losing 10x as much space on other temporary junk that I never realize is there I shouldn't care about the 1x of junk that I do realize is there? Right now I have 95 applications installed on my personal box; if I excuse Rising being 2x as large as the next largest AV, what about the other 94 apps? Should I excuse them too? I have only two drives in my box, 20Gb and 25Gb; what should I do if... Oh yeah, your basic solution for me is "There are 1TB drives now! Buy a new drive!!"
You are correct though in that this discussion has appparently exhausted itself. 88)
(Sorry to the others but I needed to address that ābashingā comment. (:AGY))
Regards,
Alex.