Let me remind you what is the purpose of this thread: it’s about Softpedia tagging software on their site. When I go on Softpedia and I download a program which is certified by them after theirrules as 100% Clean or 100% Free I expect to click Next-Next-Finish and have only a free product without whatever-you-call-itware installed as “bonus”.
After their rules CIS is 100% Clean/free? Nope because default I get a nice Ask toolbar.
But we’re beating a dead horse here. Comodo no longer exist on Softpedia so everybody is happy now.
It’s also the users option to install the toolbar, change search provider, and homepage.
But it is by far easier to see the text, and checkboxes in comodo, then softpedia’s tiny text “adware”.
And as far i understand, the main reason Softpedia tagged CIS as adware were because of the toolbar, because they say it’s not needed, because it won’t add more security.
But it does protect against BO, i know CIS do that to without, but not if you disable defense+.
(and btw is there defense+ if you only install the antivirus?)
Because of that, i will say it is needed for some, and it should be the user who decide if they want to be less protected by choosing not to install it.
And even if it didn’t i can’t see why anyone would be annoying about it, Comodo have made a free product, and if they include a toolbar it’s ok.
(it would be something else if we had to pay.)
If you get something for free, you can’t really complain that much.
And it’s not like you have to install CIS several times a day, or several times a week, and if you do.
I would really like to know why.
Actually, Melih is refusing to tell me if all what I mentioned previously are lies. I’d like to know whether or not he’s calling me a lier, when all evidences are shouting out load.
Instead, he runs away from questions and/or statements. He pretends I asked nothing. Maybe by answering me, he would be admitting, indeed, that CIS is adware.
To clarify. Users are given a chance whether or not to install the toolbar. The problem is: I trust COMODO. Why should I be suspicious that COMODO is trying to con me into installing some toolbar?
And, if I’m not aware that the protection provided by SafeSurf is provided by Defense+, then, I’ll go ahead and install it. Even if I choose Ask.com search not to be installed, the Ask.com toolbar will still be installed. Why? Because it comes hard bundled with SafeSurf. Now, my friend, this is forcing me to install it. Isn’t it?
The system is mine and I choose what or not to install. COMODO or any other software shouldn’t force me to install anything I do not wish. If I wanted the ■■■■ toolbar, I’d download it myself. Simple. When will you people get it?
You get a car, and it comes with publicity, which you may remove yourself later. Would you like to get a car, etc that way?
And, if COMODO does not want CIS to be considered adware, then remove either the Ask.com toolbar or provide SafeSurf as a standalone package. Simple. CIS will no more be tagged adware; only SafeSurf. But then, I guess COMODO would send a new email threatning with legal action. Grow up people.
I do not give a ■■■■ if it comes bundled or not with some toolbar. Its the way that its done that makes me lose respect towards COMODO. But, it seems is the daily business to software vendors, and more recently, security vendors, to add stupid toolbars to their products (COMODO is even considering adding their social toolbar soon… WTF? Not even security related… Anyway…).
I am thinking that Melih needs to take a chill pill and not take it all to heart...
Yes… he is the CEO and yes, he made a bad decision adding the taskbar and making the options appear the way they did… but it isn’t the end of the world… he just needs to bite the bullet, say he did it for the money (which everyone else has already figured out) and tell the posters if they want to pony up the dollars he will gain by adding the task bar and the dollars he would lose by breaking the contract, that he will be glad to remove it…
That is… if he would go that far…
And I totally agree. Just admit you did it for the money, that you need money and it’s fine.
Stop pretending to be a goody, goody company that never makes any shady deals. Stop pretending that you are our angel saviours. Cos you’re not and a lot of people start to notice it. Sure there will always be fanboys… :-\
That's the only problem and Melih avoids an answer and plays ostrich policy: bury the head in the sand maybe the problem disappear...
and reklaw2 added:
Instead, he runs away from questions and/or statements. He pretends I asked nothing. Maybe by answering me, he would be admitting, indeed, that CIS is adware.
And I agree. I could add more quotes, but the point is - Melih is dodging the questions, hides and waits for the problem to dissapear.
P.S. I’m still waiting for 100 malware that can bypass OA, G-Data, SAS and MBAM but not bypass CIS.
This one I like the best:
I was reading articles online where Comodo says they WELCOME the BAD feedback just as good. Well.... just read the forum and TELL ME, does it sound true to anyone? Notice how users who oppose the toolbar get beaten down by other users and some mods, then when just about stomped to the ground, Melih or other certain mods, swoop down for the "one hit kill." Pathetic. That's the way it seems to work there, in their own territory, their own little false kingdom.
Don’t want the toolbar, don’t opt in on it. Untick the corresponding box. Problem solved.
You get a car, and it comes with publicity, which you may remove yourself later. Would you like to get a car, etc that way?
Not sure what you mean by this statement. Cars comes bundled with publicity? Unless it's a really expensive sports car, I don't see how my RAV4 is going to make me more popular. Especially with the sunscreen picturing Winnie the pooh and Tigger on the backseat windows.
And, if COMODO does not want CIS to be considered adware, then remove either the Ask.com toolbar or provide SafeSurf as a standalone package. Simple. CIS will no more be tagged adware; only SafeSurf. But then, I guess COMODO would send a new email threatning with legal action. Grow up people.
Again, CIS isn't considered to be or contain adware. It's Softpedia's definition of adware that unfairly labels it as adware on their site. But enough of that. It's your prerogative to voice your opinion. As it is my prerogative to differ with you.
I do not give a dang if it comes bundled or not with some toolbar. Its the way that its done that makes me lose respect towards COMODO. But, it seems is the daily business to software vendors, and more recently, security vendors, to add stupid toolbars to their products (COMODO is even considering adding their social toolbar soon... WTF? Not even security related... Anyway....).
You're right. This has become more common and it's not to everyone's liking. And your complaint is understandable. I'm not gonna comment any further on this as my opinion isn't going to have an impact on you :)
I’m talking about Ask.com toolbar!!! If I wish to install SafeSurf, I’m also forced to install Ask.com toolbar!!! Don’t try to make other users think otherwise. You’re misleading them.
Not sure what you mean by this statement. Cars comes bundled with publicity? Unless it's a really expensive sports car, I don't see how my RAV4 is going to make me more popular. Especially with the sunscreen picturing Winnie the pooh and Tigger on the backseat windows.
It was a ■■■■ example. The example was - Would you like your car, etc to come with publicity on it, so that the manufacturers get more money? I didn’t say they come, I asked if you guys would like that to happen.
Again, CIS isn't considered to be or contain adware. It's Softpedia's definition of adware that unfairly labels it as adware on their site. But enough of that. It's your prerogative to voice your opinion. As it is my prerogative to differ with you.
What do you call to X application that comes bundled with Y application, and which advertises Y application, in this case in the web browser, in the form of a toolbar? I call it adware.
But, if you guys don’t like that term, and as someone already mentioned - and, perhaps, quite well - it is abuseware in it’s very least.
You're right. This has become more common and it's not to everyone's liking. And your complaint is understandable. I'm not gonna comment any further on this as my opinion isn't going to have an impact on you :)
Melih don’t dodge anything. He has replied you guys… Even if I doubt you understood the answers. :-\ Softpedia is probably incorrect in its definition, and if so they are/was spreading false information about CIS.
The same with their “propaganda” articles that they changed… 88) 88)
It probably contained false information…
Comodo has the right to contact them about this. Its no doubt in my mind either that the ask is there to make money and secure a continued development of CIS our great security freeware.
Anyhow FYI: softpedia has accepted my comment… =)
I am thinking that Melih needs to take a chill pill and not take it all to heart...
Yes… he is the CEO and yes, he made a bad decision adding the taskbar and making the options appear the way they did… but it isn’t the end of the world… he just needs to bite the bullet, say he did it for the money (which everyone else has already figured out) and tell the posters if they want to pony up the dollars he will gain by adding the task bar and the dollars he would lose by breaking the contract, that he will be glad to remove it…
That is… if he would go that far…
No need for Melih to bite a bullet when softpedia is incorrect… He has already said that Ask is helping with the revenue. He will probably never accept calling CIS adware unless it are by definition. :-TU
Just like no one here should accept being called “■■■■■” just cus you are by some persons “personal” definition… =)
I would not call CIS adware, because the Ask.com toolbar is no prerequisite to install the CIS package. I guess that’s my definition… opt-out and it’s free from ads. Simple as that.
@ Monkey_Boy=) No, Melih has not answered, at all. He always deviated from conversation. My questions were never answered.
@ LeoniAquila
I would not call CIS adware, because the Ask.com toolbar is no prerequisite to install the CIS package. I guess that's my definition... opt-out and it's free from ads. Simple as that.
If it’s not - and, I do agree 100% - why come preselected? Even more, why come hard bundled to SafeSurf? This, totally beats me up. I guess I’m not that smart to understand it. 88)
They probably prefer users to install the toolbar, as it generates income, but they don’t force us to do it for the sake of CIS. Having it preselected by default is kind of a hint, at least to me.
That is harsh.Whether or not you agree with the inclusion of this toolbar (and I don’t agree with the current Opt-out status) Comodo does provide a great deal of security software entirely free of charge.If Melih was the greedy individual you say,he’d just have a paid version of CIS and be done with it,perhaps offering a feature crippled free version as a carrot.
Yes criticise the inclusion of this toolbar if you like,but it’s totally unwarranted to disparage the whole project.
+1, now though Melih happens to offer it all for free, and he kindly asks us through the CIS installer “do you want SafeSurf and toolbar as well?” - but he’s not forcing us. He provides CIS for free, without adware. :-TU
I like when you mention [q]prefer[/q]. So, now they “prefer” over me?
Yes, they force the installation of the toolbar. If everything comes preselected and Ask.com not offered as opt-in/opt-out, then its forcing users to install it, if:
They trust COMODO, and wouldn’t suspect COMODO to be coning them.
They have no clue that SafeSurf provides no additional protection, because its already offered by Defense+, and hence, believe it does protect them, and install it.
So, lets not say its not forced, when it clearly is. Its part of the deal with IAC, I guess. Its business. Get real folks. Its an abusive way of doing business, still a business.
