CIS vs NIS video

[GOA]

Hi

a new Video: Norton DNS vs Comodo Secure DNS

Comodo Secure DNS does it work now ?

Norton DNS vs Comodo Secure DNS

[tommymacangel]

Strange this video, when i try myself Comodo Secure DNS catch a lot (in exception of “malware zero day keygen sites”) ???

[Michael_Withstand]

@Chiron post:51

As far as anyone can tell it isn’t possible for malware running in the sandbox to harm the pc. The worst it can do is drop files and possibly create folders. I believe this is why in some tests you will see the other scanners find malware in the programs folder.

However, it can’t actually harm the computer. As far as I can tell the worst it can do is use system resources and slow the computer.

If I’m wrong then can someone please correct me?

Thanks that sounds good enough for me :-TU

[salmonela]

that videos (norton vs. CIS) are pointless for CIS part at least, coz CIS do not work correctly in VBox, not enough API to run all its features correctly (technical stuff)

P.S. try again in VMware

[begemot]

@Melih post:49

all are glorified "detection’ methods…

so the question still stands…

do you think NIS can detect (using everything they have) 100% of the malware?

Melih

Why are you so worried about that question?

As a CEO of a business, you should be worried about market penetration, and as a direct consequence, whether your product can be deployed on a large and varied assortment of systems, both consumer and medium/large businesses.

Do you have the neccessary support infrastructure?
Do you have the neccessary centralised management system?
Do you have the business connections that will enable you to obtain large scale contracts?
Is your product useable for businesses (given that they have very different requirements to consumers)?
Is your product useable for consumers (and useable from their point of view, not yours)?
Do you have the neccessary revenue stream for advertising?
Are your planned expanison levels sustainable?
Is your forum professional when dealing with problems that end users experience?

If the answer to any of these questions is no, then unfortunately you will not be able to successfully penetrate the security market (by successfully I mean competing with the likes of Symantec and Kaspersky). Whether or not NIS has 100% detection level is irrelevant. You could have 100% protection, and you still won’t be able to compete with them if you can’t solve the above questions.

NIS at the minute is more user friendly, comparable in protection, has better removal, and is one of the top sold security products. Underestimating the leading competition is very dangerous.

Now I have a strong suspicion that 5 years down the line, things will still be the same - ie Symatec will still be one of the biggest security companies with one of the most sold products, and Comodo will still be used by a minority share of enthusiasts without gaining significant market share. Now if this does not happen, I will be one of the first to happily eat my words, and heartily congratulate Comodo on their fantastic achievments, plus admit that my judgement is lousy, and appologise to everyone for doubting Comodo.

But time will tell.

[Melih]

@begemot post:65

Why are you so worried about that question?

Because that question lies at the heart of the “Security” problem that the end users are facing!!!

Some industry facts for you:

1)AntiVirus industry has NO standards it follows
2)one of few industries thats worth $10B and has no standards!
3)Malware problem, although we spend $10B a year on, hasn’t subsided.
4)industry’s marketing methods goes against end user protection…conflict of interest…which then result in insecurity for end users.

I care for end user’s security…I put my own money to protect them!

PS: answered your other questions in the other thread.

Melih

[Tech]

@Melih post:66

industry’s marketing methods goes against end user protection…conflict of interest…which then result in insecurity for end users.

Agree!

@begemot post:65

Symatec will still be one of the biggest security companies

Yeah, it’s big… But not in number of users… Believe, free antivirus market is almost half to half to the paid one in number of users. If not bigger.

@begemot post:65

Comodo will still be used by a minority share of enthusiasts without gaining significant market share.

Other free antivirus companies indeed penetrate in market share, but like Melih said, conflict interests will drop the security for final users.

@tcyca post:55

I believe it is not the inability of Comodo staff to analyze the new and unknown files, but not enough employees to handle massive amounts of new malware released everyday.

I’ve read that more than 90% of Symantec employees are on sales and marketing and not on virus analysis… I mean, Symantec is not a “security-only” enterprise…

@tcyca post:55

Kaspersky

Good old guy… Detection rates are decreasing.
Oh, both have lower detection rates than Avira, for instance…
Paid antivirus being better than free ones is a myth.

[begemot]

Yes, I saw your “answers” in your other thread.

Unfortunately, for me, the proof is in the pudding. I don’t believe claims, I believe cold, hard facts. When I see that you have become one of the biggest, and that your market share and profits are significant, then I will believe it. So far, I see only claims and speculation. Symantec however, has made it - both in terms of market share, revenue and profits. Numbers speak for themselves, claims don’t.

A good example of this is the following:

@Melih post:7

I promise to deliver world’s best detection, guaranteed!!!

Melih

@begemot post:18

??

Guaranteed by what?

How about this: You make it “the world’s best detection”, and we’ll test it with three independent testing organisation of my choice (all conforming to AMTSO). If Comodo does not deliver “world’s best detection”, to honour your guarantee, you’ll give me all your moeny, house, cars, clothes, and other personal items. That would be a guarantee, no? ;D

If you’re happy to honour your “guarantee” put your money where your mouth is, and let’s draw up the legal document! >:-D

If you want to make your statements credible, you need to have backed up with something, for example taken my offer in this case. If what you say is really true, you have nothing to lose - after all, you’ll keep all your money, car, house etc, since Comodo will have “the world’s best detection”. Anyone can make claims on internet forums. Not many have the guts to put their money where their mouth is.

@Melih post:66

I care for end user’s security…I put my own money to protect them!

Then go ahead and take my challenge.

P.S: Sorry if I have incorrectly posted this here, I’m not entirely sure whether this post should be classified under general discussion or this thread, as it does refer to both.

[Melih]

@begemot post:68

Yes, I saw your “answers” in your other thread.

Unfortunately, for me, the proof is in the pudding. I don’t believe claims, I believe cold, hard facts. When I see that you have become one of the biggest, and that your market share and profits are significant, then I will believe it. So far, I see only claims and speculation. Symantec however, has made it - both in terms of market share, revenue and profits. Numbers speak for themselves, claims don’t.

A good example of this is the following:

If you want to make your statements credible, you need to have backed up with something, for example taken my offer in this case. If what you say is really true, you have nothing to lose - after all, you’ll keep all your money, car, house etc, since Comodo will have “the world’s best detection”. Anyone can make claims on internet forums. Not many have the guts to put their money where their mouth is.

P.S: Sorry if I have incorrectly posted this here, I’m not entirely sure whether this post should be classified under general discussion or this thread, as it does refer to both.

LOL…

so you ask a question but you don’t want the answers unless its the answers that you are looking for…:), they are not claims, they are answers to your questions

Best Detection Guaranteed: As you said…time will tell (i don’t want to take your money by betting with you : ) )

Again: it is Symantec who started this by attacking Free AV! Why are you not asking them as to why they are making such foolish and unfounded statements?

And again, it is Symantec that paid $1.3B for Verisign so that they can compete with Comodo ;).

Melih

[begemot]

@Melih post:69

LOL…

so you ask a question but you don’t want the answers unless its the answers that you are looking for…:), they are not claims, they are answers to your questions

Best Detection Guaranteed: As you said…time will tell (i don’t want to take your money by betting with you : ) )

Again: it is Symantec who started this by attacking Free AV! Why are you not asking them as to why they are making such foolish and unfounded statements?

And again, it is Symantec that paid $1.3B for Verisign so that they can compete with Comodo ;).

Melih

Of course I want answers! I want them in terms of facts. You gave me no facts that I could verify.

You have seriously misread my statement - I am not planning to bet with you. If I lose, and Comodo has “best detection guaranteed”, I don’t give you anything. If you lose, and Comodo doesn’t have “best detection guaranteed”, I get all your money. This is not a bet - this is a guarantee. I hope you realise that is how a guarantee works (before you posted!). But you won’t take this offer, I know this already - it’s too risky for you!

I honestly don’t care who Symantec attacked etc etc - I was talking about your business expansion plans and your claims, trying to see if you maybe have some facts to back up your reputation!

[Melih]

@begemot post:70

I honestly don’t care who Symantec attacked etc etc - I was talking about your business expansion plans and your claims, trying to see if you maybe have some facts to back up your reputation!

as you said, time will tell

Melih

[begemot]

@Melih post:71

as you said, time will tell

Melih

So you don’t take my offer of testing your guarantee?

[ilkerol]

Comodo Internet Security 5 Bypassed by Malware Research Group Financial Malware Simulator - YouTube plz watch this. Comodo relies on digital certificate. What if a malware has a certificate? Also i want to ask when a malware is sandboxed, it can still establish a connection and if we allow what kind of info can malware send ? ( i hope they are not critical infos in our pc )

And also CIS has some false positives ( dont say every program has some ) but they are really silly false positives. I tried CIS and it flagged my sistem is infected ( skype.exe is trojan i didn’t know ;D ) I hate those heur.suspicious and unclassified definitions, i dont trust them. Normally i scan my sistem with different softwares and they say it is clean.

Comodo is good but i felt more secure with NIS after watching the review. Thanks for giving the products for free. I hope everyone decide what is the best for theirselves.

Have a nice day.

[lordraiden]

@ilkerol post:73

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEMp9TVxdCA plz watch this. Comodo relies on digital certificate. What if a malware has a certificate? Also i want to ask when a malware is sandboxed, it can still establish a connection and if we allow what kind of info can malware send ? ( i hope they are not critical infos in our pc )

And also CIS has some false positives ( dont say every program has some ) but they are really silly false positives. I tried CIS and it flagged my sistem is infected ( skype.exe is trojan i didn’t know ;D ) I hate those heur.suspicious and unclassified definitions, i dont trust them. Normally i scan my sistem with different softwares and they say it is clean.

Comodo is good but i felt more secure with NIS after watching the review. Thanks for giving the products for free. I hope everyone decide what is the best for theirselves.

Have a nice day.

First you have to fin a malware with a digital certificate… you will not find any.
The issue that you see in this test has been already fixed.
This is a little issue if the program tries to access to internet you will get a firewall message to block it.

[khanyash]

@ilkerol post:73

And also CIS has some false positives ( dont say every program has some ) but they are really silly false positives. I tried CIS and it flagged my sistem is infected ( skype.exe is trojan i didn’t know ;D ) I hate those heur.suspicious and unclassified definitions.

Have a nice day.

Yes I agree they need to control the FP’s specially FP’s for common & safe programs & as u said Heur & Unclassified ones.

[Adonis]

I would take those reviews with a some percent of suspect because this guy tested CIS in virtual box and it was not once explained during beta that CIS does not work properly in virtual box.

i hear lots of times about CIS false positives. I used 4.1, RC 2 of CIS 5.0 and now the final of CIS 5.0 and no FPs at all. And i also have Skype and ICQ and ton of games and had no problems. So may be the problem is with guys who tweak COMODO to get a better detection and as result get more FP

Just my 2 cents

[khanyash]

@Adonis post:76

i hear lots of times about CIS false positives. I used 4.1, RC 2 of CIS 5.0 and now the final of CIS 5.0 and no FPs at all. And i also have Skype and ICQ and ton of games and had no problems. So may be the problem is with guys who tweak COMODO to get a better detection and as result get more FP

Just my 2 cents

You may be right. Actually guyz posting about FP’s should give details of their Heur settings Low, Med or High. Today 1 guyz posted about processexplorer FP. I checked out & yes it was an FP with the default Low Heur too.

I have noticed that Heur.Suspicious gives most of the FP’s, Unclassified also gives FP’s but not much & sometimes signatures also gives FP’s.

Thanxx
Naren

[ilkerol]

@lordraiden post:74

This is a little issue if the program tries to access to internet you will get a firewall message to block it.

Ok right but i asked can a sandboxed malware can reach sensetive data and release them? If it can, there is no point of sandboxing it and this means there is no 100% protection. ( let’s say we clicked on yes on firewall alert by accident )

[lordraiden]

@ilkerol post:78

Ok right but i asked can a sandboxed malware can reach sensetive data and release them? If it can, there is no point of sandboxing it and this means there is no 100% protection. ( let’s say we clicked on yes on firewall alert by accident )

The sandbox restrics the app, but maybe the app could be able to upload information on the desktop to internet, I really dont know.

[Syl]

If the sandbox app try to upload something (and connect to a server), you should receive a firewall alert…