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Unfortunately these are the kinds of results I am getting on these latest versions of CIS, in fact even worse than in these tests. I have no idea why, but CIS, even just CFW, it increases Windows 10 boot time by a factor of 2-3x, not just a few percent. Then very sluggish when browsing web or indeed doing anything. It’s across 3 different Windows 10 PCs with the lateset version of OS and CIS, no other real-time AV and WD enabled for occasional scans.

CIS never used to be like this. In fact I’ve regretably unisntalled on 2 of th 3 PCs concerned and had to revert to other solutions. I’ll keep watching the 3rd and hoping for the best, fingers crossed.

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Hi Cavehomme,
May you please export msinfo32.exe output and share via personal message so we can look at hardware and software details?

We have been getting tested by competent organization like av-test.org and boot time results are at paar.

Thanks
-umesh

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I, too, sometimes got doubts because of protective shield.

Here are results shown by federal police of Germany - the results from the test lab AV-Software.com:

https://www.bundespolizei-virus.de/virenschutz/

1 Bitdefender Internet Security 2018 value: 10,0 software: 9,5 whole of 20: 19,5 59,99 ?*

2
Kaspersky Internet Security 2018 9,5 9,0 19,0 59,95 ?
3
ESET Internet Security 8,5 9,0 17,5 34,95 ?
4
Norton Security Deluxe 9,0 8,0 17,0 79,99 ?
5
F-Secure Internet Security 8,5 8,0 16,5 49,90 ?
6
Avira Internet Security Suite 8,5 7,5 16,0 39,95 ?
7
G Data Internet Security 2018 8,0 7,5 15,5 39,95 ?
8
Emsisoft Anti-Malware 7,5 6,0 13,5 39,95 ?
9
Avast Free Antivirus 7,5 5,5 13,0 Gratis
Die einzige kostenlose Virenschutz-L?sung, die es unter die Top 9 geschafft hat. Kein kostenloses Programm kann es jedoch mit den Top 3 L?sungen aufnehmen.
9
McAfee Total Protection 7,0 6,0 13,0 59,95 ?
11
Avira Free Antivirus 7,5 5,0 12,5 Gratis
11
AVG Internet Security 7,5 5,0 12,5 54,99 ?
13
AVG Anti-Virus Free 7,5 4,0 11,5 Gratis
14
Adaware Antivirus Pro 6,5 4,5 11,0 36,00 ?
15
Microsoft Windows Defender 6,5 4,0 10,5 Gratis

Das Virenschutz-Programm bietet nicht mal einen guten Grundschutz!
translation: This antivirus program (Windows-Defender) even doesn’t offer good basic protection!

In many discussions which software to use and user recommend you can read e.g.:
You don’t need another program than Microsoft Defender. I only use this program and never had problems with virus, malware a.s.o.

Same you can read about Avast, Avira, F-Pro …

I use CIS and malwarebytes, adwcleaner and TDSSKiller.exe by Kaspersky to control. I think any of these should detect any spyware if there should be any malware on my PC. I have no problems (wether when doing online-banking or another activity as shopping. No foreign accesses to my bank-account by now).

Why do I mention this? I don’t know if those tests result in the verdict: With this or that software you are best protected.

There are many people who swear on G-Data, for example. Same for Emsisoft. :-\

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I think that the vast majority of antivurus / security suites are very effective, the test of AV-Test.org, AV Comparatives, etc, show this to be the case. Addtionally, Windows 10 has more layers of security. Using a security suite is like using a condom - you can practice safe hex but a condom is safer. Using Comodo with it’s default deny is like using two condoms, just be doubly safe ;D

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The best protection is layered protection. Detection alone is not enough and detection tests, also this one from the German federal police are relatively useless. Comodo offers alongisde the AV a sandbox and HIPS as two strong defense mechanisms that will prevent unknown programs from getting on your system in the first place. That’s the security that really counts; it doesn’t matter if the AV recognises a file as malware or not.

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Spot on . . . . that ‘information’ is put out for your local neighborhood association. If you want to be serious, stick with the best - here!!

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There simply is no way, mathematically speaking, of stopping malware from coming into your computer!

So chasing your tail by detecting to stop the malware…is dead…!

You have to change your mentality…you have to accept the malware will get into your computer…

So now, you have to figure out a way to “render it useless” once its in!

Comodo containment…:wink:

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My own experience with comodo is anything but bad. Nevertheless, what you can read (not only of users but from tests, too) about comodo is very, very ambivalent, i.e. in malwaretips something like that:

https://malwaretips.com/threads/comodo-internet-security-review.68702/

nikos200:
great video!!!thanks!!!but i already tried many times!!!a lot of usability broblems…bad av…no web filter…bad viruscope!!!when i meet first time comodo in version 3…i though …this will be amazing!!!..and now its amazing!!!:):slight_smile: but not for everyone…thats my experience

Feb 20, 2017 #21
toto:
Comodo’s concept is not based on signatures, and it is not intended for novice users. If you know what you are doing it offers better protection than the majority of the antivirus programs that use signatures (just my opinion).
P.S. you can use custom install and deselect those geek buddy and browser stuff, you complain about

ctrlz:
CIS is a great overall suite, I don’t feel the need of a superb and heavy AV, the built-in one is enough for me, just light and basic.

and of course the crass opposite of that, there.

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/security-everyone-reviewing-comodo-internet-security-complete by Codrut Neagu published on 11/10/2017

Verdict
Comodo Internet Security Complete 10 is a security product that is a very mixed bag. It has a few strong points and many weaknesses. We appreciated the effectiveness of the antivirus engine,…The firewall module is average in its effectiveness, and the security suite?s processes are not protected from unwanted termination. These are all reasons why we recommend that you stay away from Comodo and look for better security products.

and last but not least (Dezember 2017):

Test Antivirus-Programme - Windows 10 - Dezember 2024 | AV-TEST (see attachment)

Most important for me is the first (protective effect), with the next two properties I can live (Speed and Usability).

But I don’t want to hide the fact that sometimes I feel insecure in spite of the really good experiences by now, What about my privacy using comodo - referring to that you can read doubts handling with personal data, but the same about Kaspersky, avast, too.

You pay with your data - so it is called. Would that mean when I pay with money I can be sure my data belongs to me and only to me, no matter which provider? 88)

I’ve just one more investigated because of my doubts and found this:

e class="onebox allowlistedgeneric" data-onebox-src="https://www.erfahrungen.com/">
Erfahrungen.com

this result (based on 46,811 experiences and tests) reassured me again (but most of them are taken from the magazin “Chip” - ?, but these are users, too):
4.79 of 5 stars

These are testreports and opinions from various Internet sources.

First opinion from 22. July 2017:

Benutze die Free-Version seit gut 5 Jahren taeglich. Noch nie einen Virus eingefangen. Bin hoch zufrieden.

according to my experience (except for the years of use - that’s some more)

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That’s the problem they expect Comodo to follow a normal set of rules that all other Security software do, so it fails these suppose test which are not real test at all, and they class Comodo as not good.

Example:- [and the security suite?s processes are not protected from unwanted termination.] They expect Comodo to protect their computers from themselves.

Comodo has always made it easy for users to do what they like with there computers, but if Malware tries the same it will fail.

If you need a Nanny to protect yourself from yourself, use another Security product.

Dennis

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Melih, no doubt that Comodo is the most effective overall. As others have said, it’s the issue of usability and potentially some doubts about data privacy that some people are concerned about.
As someone else also said, the more that can be detected by the AV then the less work and intrusion into daily working life by the other CIS components.

Comodo 10 is great, it’s impressive work by everyone involved. I especially like the CCAV. Saying all of that, I think that the future of Windows 10 protection will become more and more Microsoft dominated as they toughen it up and add layers of protection such as recently the exploit protection layer. The market will then be left to those who monitor Windows security, hovering overhead like a hawk, which then swoops down to kill the malware that’s not being stopped by Windows.

In that future, Comodo’s containment solutions are perfect; I think you can more or less forget the rest…apart from Secure shopping / banking (which is a form of containment anyway), plus having some form of outbound connection kill enabled, sitting on top of Windows firewall, which you seem to have done with the latest version of CCAV :-TU

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For me this is not an adequate answer just because s.o don’t cheer it all the time and not everyone or test who expresses any doubts are beginners who only need a few controls, and my posting doesn’t allow this conclusion in my eyes. As I said, I’m using comodo for more than 5 years. 360 TS e.g. was once a good securitysuit, but not longer. So comodo changes in a different way - for the better, as my attachment shows. This was not always so.

Cavehomme expresses e. g. what you can draw conclusion from everything you can read. It wasn’t always like that. One should not only acknowledge tests if they mean well with one and av-test resulted not always such result for comodo (and nevertheless I used comodo furthermore because of my experiences by now) and now from one and the same test labor it does.

Time changes things in this or another way:

I think that the future of Windows 10 protection will become more and more Microsoft dominated as they toughen it up and add layers of protection such as recently the exploit protection layer.
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Hi prodex ,

a small section from an older post …

*** The link is unfortunately dead!

:wink:

Best Regards !!!

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Don’t be so sure - I think these guys will be focusing more on other vectors, due to Comodo, Microsoft and others improving. In other words, it’s increasingly difficult to hack someone using the excellent CIS, instead they will bypass and hack into the BIOS, firmware, leverage Meltdown / Spectre, etc which CIS (or anyone) cannot really stop.

Most of us have nothing to worry about because we stay on the right side of the law, but that time to worry will arrive when the criminals start hacking bios, Meltdown etc because no one will be able to prevent it effectively. At that point, I will sell my PC and buy a typewriter and send letters via pigeon, stop using online banking, revert to cash… 8)

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The post was “far” before the time the Meltdown / Spectre thing became known ! :wink: And the only certainty is , that nothing is absolutely safe ! That´s for sure !!! :-TU :P0l

A BIG “Thank You” to “Ploget” , for the right Link , at the right Time !!! :-TU :wink: >>> How CIA Hackers Rate Your Computer's Antivirus - Newsweek

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Since you did include the part implied by reply, I will include again.

Example:- [and the security suite?s processes are not protected from unwanted termination.] They expect Comodo to protect their computers from themselves.
If you expect Comodo to protect you for yourself it will not suceed, it has always allowed users to close different parts if they wish when using a Admin account, but as I will repeat again it will not nanny you ie:- stop you closing each process.

Dennis

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May be there will be a misunderstanding for my part. I interpreted it in this way:

“If you don’t know how to handle comodo than use another software”, and “Nanny” isn’t just very positive. The misunderstanding may be caused by the fact that English is not my mother tongue so some relationships or idioms may not be understanded by me or misinterprated.

My conclusion is: I’m doing still fine with this program (comodo), but doubts or get informed after a couple of years and most of all because of the changing and “enhancements” of the tools hacker/criminals are using you have to be worried or concerned about your own security (so I did with my home as my castle) as Cavehomme posted and if that will be the case I will do the same! :SMLR

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To add on to what Dennis2 has said, these tests are run with the default Internet Security config which sets HIPS to disabled and do not show popup alerts: allow requests set in firewall settings. Had testers changed to the proactive config they would get different and better results.

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The only part that Nanny applied to are these tests, which complain Comodo does not protect you.

I have always believed you should be able to run your Security software on default settings, as futuretech has posted you can change to proactive config. but you should be still protected at the default settings for normal use.

There is always a trade off if you increase your levels you can increase the chance of problems.

Dennis

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[at]Dennis2,
let me say this (besides of the topic). Now, I know what I misunderstanded.

In the German language “you” means the person to whom you’re talking or writing to. Although I myself use and used not this pronoun in this meaning I interpreted it in this way. My mistake.
In our language we have the pronoun “man” (not meaning a male person but everyone) who… . Man sollte = You should not use comodo if… e.g. doesn’t mean me or you personally but everyone who don#t want to … and this includes not me or you because of …

So I agree with your statements. And such or aother misunderstandings can lead to serious consequences in politics, despite translators.

And so: :SML: and I hope comodo will save my digital life (I-Net) furthermore.

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[at] Prodex …

You are German ? Na dann herzlich willkommen im Club !!! :wink: