Hey RejZoR. Are you using the new BETA? .459 or the stable version. BETA version has a very large whitelist. When installaing avast = 1 or 2 pop-ups
Also, Avast can be added as a trusted vendor, making no popups at all.
Well, Microsoft Corporation digital signature is there as well but VirtualPC still shows popups…
First understand the words new, fresh, and clean. Are used interchangeably in this discussion.
Your own words
“Clean PC Mode is the mode that will give less alerts, after you install CIS on a clean system.”
After a fresh OS install or if you are sure your sytem is clean, then Clean PC mode will give less pop ups.
Because everything on the PC at that point in time will be considered Trusted.
But from there on it doesn’t use the trusted vendors list to reduce pop ups.
So any software that updates, changes or is added will generate pop ups and pending files for every action.
So you see the design goal of usability (less pop ups), on a new install.
So the car analogy holds. How many weeks or months do you consider it a fresh install?
I never said anything about custom rules.
Every time you answer a pop up you are creating or adding to “custom rules”.
Safe Mode uses the signed trusted vendors list to help reduce pop ups.
Yes it is a bit chatty at first, but as you answer pop ups and select remember or trusted etc.
You are creating rules (training your HIPS).
So in a short time you will get very few pop ups and no bloody pending files to deal with.
D+ is a powerful HIPS engine so no matter what mode short of training or allow all, you have
to answer some pop ups. it is unavoidable.
So Clean PC is a great place to start from on a new, fresh, clean install on a new, fresh, or clean PC.
Therefore long term joy, taking advantage of the vendor whitelist, and no pending files is acheived by switching to Safe Mode. And of course using Installation Mode during installation of apps you trust.
I have tried to be clear in my explanation. I hope it helps you to understand.
Feel free to read the Help files although the terminologies may be a little off depending on which version of CIS you currently have installed.
And as always you can seek further clarification as you have here on the forums.
Peace out
Hi,
This has been fixed in the beta version. It will be available soon.
Egemen
Thanks egeman 
Cool… (:KWL) (:NRD)
egemen, will digital signatures be used now (properly) ?Or were they already used, it’s just that popup was displayed anyway.
egemen,
Thank you for posting.
Given the context of the thread though, you couldn’t have been more vague.
I’m afraid you have left us all scratching our heads.
What will be fixed?
Was it broken, or are you going to change it so that the trusted vendor list is used in Clean PC Mode?
RejZor,
I don’t believe you ever did say whether or not Virtual PC was installed before, CIS and if before
engaging Clean PC Mode.
I firmly believe my assessment of the functionality of the modes is correct. To date.
Unless previously quoted devs and the help files are incorrect.
I still contend that we need a head spinning smiley.
Later
Have you even looked at the screenshot? Microsoft VirtualPC splash screen in the middle of the screen?
Of course VirtualPC is installed…
Of course I looked.
But I don’t use it and it doesn’t say if you were starting it or installing it.
I know I’m good, but I’m not psychic.
I’m not the one with the problem either man, just trying to help.
Without further input from egemen or another dev we’re done here anyway.
Later
Splash screen obviously shows up when you run it. Why else would CiS popup about virtualpc.exe anyway!?
Steady on rejzor, bad frogger was asking if VirtualPC was installed BEFORE you installed CIS and before you selected CLEAN PC mode. His punctuation was bad and I can see how it was misinterpreted, but he was just trying to clarify things.
Ewen
So you don’t get pending files, less pop ups, etc.
How does this work for you?
Please don’t dissect posts and question every statement if you don’t want answers.
I have no problem with questions and the exchange of ideas.
That what the forum is for.
I just don’t appreciate immature jabs.
When I’m wrong I like to learn, don’t you.
So are you saying that in Clean PC mode CIS is using the trusted vendors list or not?
If it is maybe you could explain that to the devs, and then somebody might fix the help file too.
First
Thank you for the detailed response.
I think we’re in the same book on different pages.(not completely getting each other)
I’m not picking you apart but I’m gonna copy paste some to type less.
I don’t recommend Paranoid to anyone, paranoids can go there on their own.
I see Clean PC as a great way to start out, establishing a baseline.
I did ask directly where in your scheme the trusted vendor list comes into play.
I have to assume from your response that it doesn’t.
You said yourself and I agree that in the Clean Mode any changes after the fact
cause a pop up and pending files.
You also said you don’t like pending files. Neither do I so +1 for Safe Mode.
Given your example.
“Well, you’re wrong. I’ll give you an example, and something already also mentioned it in one other thread, regarding the keyboard strokes monitoring.
I have to set VMware Workstation (Or had, since not using it anylonger.) in Defense+ to be allowed to access the keyboard, otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to work with it or any other part of the system, as the mouse would be jailed inside the VM and I couldn’t do anything else, because, while in Safe Mode, Defense+ would alert me for that and I wouldn’t be able to allow or block or do anything else. While in Clean PC Mode, I wouldn’t get those alerts. Why? Assumed safe”
In that same situation from Safe Mode I would put D+ in Training Mode and let it learn and make the rules for me on the fly.
"If you switch to Safe Mode or even Paranoid Mode, you will get less pop-ups only if you set custom rules for every alert you get, or you do it before hand. But, you will get many alerts as possible. You just won’t see them, if you set custom rules. You’re not giving any news.
Paranoid aside, not if the vendor is in the Trusted Vendor List. +1 for Safe Mode
Also the list is growing and certainly no more pop ups than if you introduce something new while in Clean Mode.
Minus of course the Pending Files +1 for Safe Mode.
This next one I would like to call the score even but I can’t because of the added benefit of the Trusted Vendor list again.
“But, the question is, and I ask you again - Will you explain to more than 90% of the users how they should answer to each alert while in Safe Mode (even in a clean system) or Paranoid Mode?? They wouldn’t know. The same way they wouldn’t know while in Clean PC Mode, and some applications gets upgraded or they install a new one”
“I don’t see what’s the problem to understand such, really”
Likewise I’m sure.
“P.S: By the way, the same way, if we set custom rules in Safe Mode and Paranoid Mode for fewer alerts, we also can do it while in Clean PC Mode. No alerts. But, the user needs to know what is ok to be allowed and what is ok to be blocked. Otherwise, total mess.”
Again they seem equal except for that Trusted Vendor List. +1 for Safe Mode.
So to summarize. I do believe that Clean PC Mode is a good place to start out from as is recommended by Comodo if you know your PC is Clean.
But after a short period of time I recommend to people to move on to Safe Mode.
Less pop ups and no pending files.
Whatever other issue you seem to have with Safe vs. Clean are easily overcome through the use of Training Mode
and Installation Mode during the introduction of new programs to the system.
All in all I have less pop ups and no pending files. So I really don’t feel very wrong.
If you wish to continue using Clean PC Mode, not taking advantage of the trusted vendor list, and having issues with what to do with pending files. Then we will have to agree to disagree.
Myself and those I help are quite happy with the way I recommend.
Thanks again for the discussion and even though it seems like a total thread hijack RejZor may benefit from it.
Peace out
Agreed.
There is no definitive right or wrong.
It comes down to taste, preference, and tolerance.
“But, I can assure you that if I switch from Clean PC Mode to Safe Mode, Defense+ will give alerts for the applications already installed in the system.”
Correct but only at first, and if you know the system is clean then it’s pretty easy to click Allow Remember or Treat as Trusted Remember. Then it gets real quiet.
FWIW also Re: The Help file. I forgot that we may be using different versions.
I’m using the new Beta and there is a Training Mode separate from Safe Mode
rather than Train with Safe Mode.
Ain’t life grand, Opinions are like butts, everybody’s got one.
Cheers and again thanks, we’ve really laid it all out Pros and Cons, Clean vs. Safe. A reader would surely have a good grasp what the modes are about.
Later
“pop-up”…“after updating windows”… “Now, ain’t that odd?” No, Worse in Clean Mode for sure.
“Defense+ is set to proactive security and Safe Mode” Keep up the good work! Your making me proud.
(:CLP) (:HUG)
Well this is just stupid. It again says signed by MS, yet it’s annoying with stupid popup. No.1 reason why i never liked HIPS over behavior blockers. HIPS is stupid and annoying.
I take ThreatFire or Norton Antibot as baseline. Great detection of new samples, very rare false positives, far less popups than HIPS. Plus it’s far more friendly to novice users than any HIPS.