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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2011, 12:14:34 PM »
Tech for me it wasn't just his accusations, it was his sneering manner of trying to talk down to all of us here, such as him saying "Hope that's simple enough for every one to understand."

I thought a thoroughly unpleasant individual.
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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2011, 12:44:16 PM »
You distort picture.  Because you not just simply called Bob "paid", you beat all in such way that Bob's negative comments about DACS is a result of his employment on Avast.  Hence according to logic Avast pays Bob to say spiteful things about DACS, among other things.

I suppose this is what meant by "crazy accusations and insane stories".

But what I said is totally factual right? and its factual based on what Bob has said, right?

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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2011, 12:51:14 PM »
this the pm that i got from bob

We must not have been reading the same thread at Comodo.
the last thing I saw written by Melih asked for my apology.
Since except for a few posts everything in that thread where derogatory remarks directed at me,
for simply expressing my thoughts about this new technology,I don't there is any reason why I should
reopen the lions den.
Accusing me of Spamming the forum and worse because my assessment of DACS doesn't muster up to Melih's standards,
didn't deserve the treatment I was subjected to.
You may tell Melih that if he's looking to make peace which is probably a good thing to do, he can simply erase
my original remark which seems to have hit a sore spot and also remove the Thread he honored me with.

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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2011, 01:12:48 PM »
Will try to do so. I won't look back, most of the times, it don't worth. Sometimes we can learn from the past, but the better is looking for the future. I'll try to remember this and, if I could, will post about.
You are making comments about moderator's lack of friendliness that are defamatory and then you cop out because by saying you didn't track it.
Yes, sure, Dennis. This is the intention of this thread.
But I don't want it only for me, we want it for all of us of course :)
We will achieve it, we have already achieve it.
Agreed, it is only those whose malicious intentions are clear who get a robust response from a moderator here.   They are all extremely helpful to genuine members of the forum.
Can you respond to this?
I still believe this is possible. I still believe they could (have) achieve it.
Again thank you for the compliment.
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It's not a matter of money. Why do you think people that moderates for free will do it better if it is for money?
SS26 did not imply that. Don't put him words in his mouth.
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Why do you think working for free is the passport to work worse or not having "fabulous demands"?
Again. Thank you for your compliment. Still I would like to see corroboration with continuous accusations. Repeating this over and over again without corroboration surely has my radar up.

Sorry. It was not my intention twist anyone's words.
I find that hard to believe in light of the above.

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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2011, 03:29:20 PM »
Tech for me it wasn't just his accusations, it was his sneering manner of trying to talk down to all of us here, such as him saying "Hope that's simple enough for every one to understand."
I thought a thoroughly unpleasant individual.
Agree. He overwhelmed his reactions. Lost the equilibrium.
Knowing Bob, I can almost say for sure that this is not his intention at all.
He's not arrogant, he's not a fanatic.
And we know how to deal with these situations. I think it does not worth to flame... in any case.
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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #80 on: January 04, 2011, 03:36:21 PM »
Valentin, I'm not sure Bob allows the disclosing the contents of a personal message.
Anyway, Bob's feelings are within it.

You are making comments about moderator's lack of friendliness that are defamatory
Not Eric. I thanked you for some of your interventions and thank Even because of his.

SS26 did not imply that. Don't put him words in his mouth. Again.
I have already say sorry (reply #74).

Eric, seems that I can't say a word and you see second, third intentions.
I don't know what to do or post about that.
Do you really think in Bob's case you could achieve comprehension?
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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #81 on: January 04, 2011, 03:42:09 PM »
Melih, any thoughts about this? Thanks.

Sharing samples/malware on access thoughts:

  • Comodo thinks it's fundamental.
  • It already exists with some delay between companies (paid ones included).
  • You must have a way to avoid "data poisoning" (distribution of false samples, fake malware).
  • You must avoid sheeper behavior (one detects and all others come behind). Kaspersky has already "proved" that people do this at VirusTotal (Google will find the links to this).
  • Other will think that the delay is necessary and does not break down the cooperation, on contrary, it increases the samples quality. For instance, Igor's thoughts here.
  • The huge percentage of duplications of shared samples. Source: Waste management: the current state of sample sharing linked by Igor in earlier thoughts.
  • DACS is an online sharing system source.
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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #82 on: January 04, 2011, 04:10:25 PM »
Melih, any thoughts about this? Thanks.


what aspects of it?

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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #83 on: January 04, 2011, 04:13:33 PM »
Melih, any thoughts about this? Thanks.
Avoiding:
1. Fake samples.
2. Duplicate samples (the huge increase of samples).
3. The necessity to share samples asap and not with a small delay (after processing them).

By the way, afaik, one of the companies that shares "excellent" quality samples is a paid one: ESET.
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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #84 on: January 04, 2011, 04:15:01 PM »
Avoiding:
1. Fake samples.
2. Duplicate samples (the huge increase of samples).
3. The necessity to share samples asap and not with a small delay (after processing them).

By the way, afaik, one of the companies that shares "excellent" quality samples is a paid one: ESET.

Why would a trusted AV company give a fake sample to the other trusted AV company?
Duplication: its a simple sha1 check...
Once u process..u know if its malware..if u know its malware..u share instantly..

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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #85 on: January 04, 2011, 04:20:42 PM »
Why would a trusted AV company give a fake sample to the other trusted AV company?
Makes sense.

Duplication: its a simple sha1 check...
But in case of million of samples?

Once u process..u know if its malware..if u know its malware..u share instantly..
Is it done this way? How long does a company take to share the sample?
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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #86 on: January 04, 2011, 04:30:41 PM »
Makes sense.
But in case of million of samples?
Is it done this way? How long does a company take to share the sample?

if you share regularly..u won't have millions of samples to share...and sha1 is totally viable even for millions of files....


how long company takes to share a sample: longer than a malware needs to do its damage!

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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #87 on: January 04, 2011, 05:58:22 PM »
But what I said is totally factual right? and its factual based on what Bob has said, right?

Well... not really. The practice of deception is not limited to explicit claim.  ;)

But back to my point...

In leading by example, what virtues are on display in a snide taunt such as: "how much are they paying you?" What is implied in that question that couldn't or wasn't said in a much less innocuous and far more trenchant manner? Melih, what do you have to say to the subject of tact (not to the subject of whether Comodo should be defended, nor to the subject of whether you should be involved)?

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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #88 on: January 04, 2011, 06:38:53 PM »
How long company takes to share a sample: longer than a malware needs to do its damage!
I was thinking you'll say two or three days... Which is much already.
I think av companies just want to say: "Hey, we're the first (or the only) to detect this and that..." and that is the problem. Indeed it could be too late.
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Re: What do I think about Comodo?
« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2011, 07:03:33 PM »
Valentin, I'm not sure Bob allows the disclosing the contents of a personal message.
Anyway, Bob's feelings are within it.
Not Eric. I thanked you for some of your interventions and thank Even because of his.
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I have already say sorry (reply #74).

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Eric, seems that I can't say a word and you see second, third intentions.
I don't know what to do or post about that.
Do you really think in Bob's case you could achieve comprehension?
After you said you would provide us with examples in the future you repeat a similar complaint without corroboration. That explains my reply. That's not assuming second or third intentions.

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Edit by EricJH: fixed a couple of quotes
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