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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2021, 04:39:35 PM »
Same for me, avoiding adds, trackers and firngerprinting but the latter fails unfortunately in all Firefox versions that I've tried no matter what options/settings I enable/disable in Firefox (maybe I haven't found the right switch yet).
If I could have fingerprinting protection in Firefox that would be great (but how?).
I also use other extensions in Firefox so switching to Brave is no option for me.
I tried Canvas Defender and about:config tweaks in FF but it's not enough (or perhaps too much). Part of the problem with FF is when you tweak all those settings for your "security", you actually become more unique and identifiable. I don't add anything to Brave and just tweak it's core features which on the surface at least, seem to provide what I'm looking for. I remember when people thought google was cool and now look at them. Same with FF; I mean, regardless of what they say, they are a for-profit corporation and beholden to the mighty investors. Of course none of them can be fully trusted, but our options are limited in that regard.

On "cover your tracks" with Brave:
Our tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking, though your software isn’t checking for Do Not Track policies.
IS YOUR BROWSER:
Blocking tracking ads?   Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?   Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?   ◕ your browser has a randomized fingerprint

with FF:
Our tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking.
Is your browser:
Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    Your browser has a unique fingerprint
« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 04:46:23 PM by CommodoUser2019 »

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2021, 06:07:00 PM »
I tried Canvas Defender and about:config tweaks in FF but it's not enough (or perhaps too much). Part of the problem with FF is when you tweak all those settings for your "security", you actually become more unique and identifiable. I don't add anything to Brave and just tweak it's core features which on the surface at least, seem to provide what I'm looking for. I remember when people thought google was cool and now look at them. Same with FF; I mean, regardless of what they say, they are a for-profit corporation and beholden to the mighty investors. Of course none of them can be fully trusted, but our options are limited in that regard.

On "cover your tracks" with Brave:
Our tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking, though your software isn’t checking for Do Not Track policies.
IS YOUR BROWSER:
Blocking tracking ads?   Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?   Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?   ◕ your browser has a randomized fingerprint

with FF:
Our tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking.
Is your browser:
Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    Your browser has a unique fingerprint


I understand what you're saying. Many browser companies profit or non-profit (cough) claim that they respect ones privacy and do not sell ones personal and/or browsing data, yeah yeah. It's more likely a good commercial slogan if you ask me. Indeed we don't have many options to fully protect our data.

Regarding CoverYourTracks I got a somewhat better FF result:

Our tests indicate that you have you have strong protection against Web tracking, though your software isn’t checking for Do Not Track policies.
Is your browser:
Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    No


Despite FF isn't fully protected against fingerprinting it doesn't have a unique fingerprint, not so bad result.


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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2021, 01:33:47 AM »
My 'best'  :) result using arkenfox settings, uBlock origin and CanvasBlocker is:
Our tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking.
Is your browser:
Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    Partial protection

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2021, 06:42:41 AM »
My 'best'  :) result using arkenfox settings, uBlock origin and CanvasBlocker is:
Our tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking.
Is your browser:
Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    Partial protection


Can you tell which arkenfox settings (index numbers) you have enabled/disabled for this Partial protection to work?
Thanks.

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2021, 09:39:50 AM »
My 'best'  :) result using arkenfox settings, uBlock origin and CanvasBlocker is:
Our tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking.
Is your browser:
Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    Partial protection


I added the whole user.js file but you could try and experiment by adding only the 4500 section (4500: RFP (RESIST FINGERPRINTING)). The idea of whole user.js is in increasing privacy and security.
Make a backup of your FF profile and add the user.js in your FF profile directory. The more exact instructions were in links I added earlier.

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2021, 10:42:41 AM »
I added the whole user.js file but you could try and experiment by adding only the 4500 section (4500: RFP (RESIST FINGERPRINTING)). The idea of whole user.js is in increasing privacy and security.
Make a backup of your FF profile and add the user.js in your FF profile directory. The more exact instructions were in links I added earlier.

I've added the whole user.js to the FF profile directory but it gave me no better protection against fingerprinting (tested on old FF version though). Still the same level of fingerprinting protection as I already have. (FF profile backup restored to undo the changes.)

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2021, 11:03:48 AM »
I've added the whole user.js to the FF profile directory but it gave me no better protection against fingerprinting (tested on old FF version though). Still the same level of fingerprinting protection as I already have. (FF profile backup restored to undo the changes.)

My 'best' result was achived by using: arkenfox settings, uBlock origin and CanvasBlocker.

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2021, 12:02:29 PM »
My 'best' result was achived by using: arkenfox settings, uBlock origin and CanvasBlocker.

I use them too. :)

I've read the 4500 section, a lot of those anti fingerprinting settings require recent or even newest FF version. For older FF versions user.js provides less or no fingerprinting protection.

Why does Mozilla say that they have implemented FingerPrinting protection since FF version 72  (or even in earlier versions) while it's not working out-of-the-box?

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2021, 12:20:03 PM »
Ok, I've installed the latest FF version 92.0.1 along with all the extensions that I normally use.
Here's coveryourtracks result:

Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    Partial protection


Note: I didn't install the arkenfox user.js settings. It seems that the arkenfox settings don't provide extra protection against fingerprinting then the protection that already can be obtained using the standard FF privacy settings.

So, the latest FF version 92.0.1 (or even some versions before that which I didn't check) have some build-in measures against fingerprinting.


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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2021, 04:31:03 PM »
So all I did was disable Canvas Defender and install CanvasBlocker default settings to get these results:
Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    Partial protection

Moving from Your browser has a unique fingerprint to partial protection with just the one change.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2021, 04:43:13 PM by CommodoUser2019 »

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2021, 05:12:03 PM »
With Brave:
Your browser fingerprint has been randomized among the 218,378 tested in the past 45 days. Although sophisticated adversaries may still able to track you to some extent, randomization provides a very strong protection against tracking companies trying to fingerprint your browser.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 16.75 bits of identifying information.

With FF:
Within our dataset of several hundred thousand visitors tested in the past 45 days, only one in 8546.38 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours.

Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys 13.05 bits of identifying information.

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2021, 05:15:23 PM »
So all I did was disable Canvas Defender and install CanvasBlocker default settings to get these results:
Blocking tracking ads?    Yes
Blocking invisible trackers?    Yes
Protecting you from fingerprinting?    Partial protection

Moving from Your browser has a unique fingerprint to partial protection with just the one change.

May I ask which FF version you use?

Maybe the latest FF 92.0.1 still doesn't do any fingerprint protection but the extensions do that I use...

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2021, 05:29:45 PM »
May I ask which FF version you use?

Maybe the latest FF 92.0.1 still doesn't do any fingerprint protection but the extensions do that I use...

Tested today with v92.0.1.

Also from Canvasblocker:

What if Page X claims my fingerprint is unique?
Having a unique fingerprint is fine as long as it changes. With the default settings of CanvasBlocker the fingerprint should change all the time. But also with other settings (e.g. the stealth preset) that do not change the fingerprint all the time the fingerprint should be unique per domain and therefore prevent tracking. To test this you can check the different fingerprints on canvasblocker.kkapsner.de and canvasblocker2.kkapsner.de.

PS- I've also made a lot of about:config mods, too many to remember.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2021, 05:32:58 PM by CommodoUser2019 »

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2021, 05:58:04 PM »
I hardly doubt that whatever setting is changed in FF it will never reach the result "your browser has a randomized fingerprint" like Brave.
Even adding the arkenfox settings (which alters the about:config settings) won't help much in this regard.

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Re: IceDragon end of life?
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2021, 07:16:39 PM »
How do trackers work?

Using a fingerprint resistant browser

https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/learn#
« Last Edit: September 26, 2021, 07:18:38 PM by CommodoUser2019 »

 

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