Author Topic: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!  (Read 108470 times)

Offline EDMAN

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2010, 09:16:24 PM »
Yes,  one big thing i´m missing in CEVPN is des the network administration option to delete user from network.
 I realy need that option for my network to delete user i don´t want to have in my community.
Hamachi is providing that extra.

I also would like to have an option to change the visual style of  the programm  (red is not my color)  but that is just an ideer  ;D

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2010, 01:47:02 AM »
I had been a long time Hamachi user until I discovered that COMODO had a VPN which allows unlimited slots, the option of remote assistance, and file sharing. I have been using EasyVPN for the past  4 months. I have found that EasyVPN has a very user friendly interface and allows a completely secure connection with very little lag if any. The ONLY thing that Hamachi has that is a MUST in a VPN is the ability to REMOVE, KICK or BAN members /and or guests from your private network.  COMODO would be wise to release an EasyVPN updated version which allows these basic yet essential administrator rites.

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2010, 06:32:17 AM »
... EasyVPN ... allows a completely secure connection

I would like to see proof to that claim. As for comparison with Hamachi, as far as I know not all details of Hamachi's security are publicly available, so a comprehensive comparison might not be possible, but it'd be nice to see Comodo to publish technical details.

I've been using Hamachi for years now, tried EasyVPN today on 2 virtual machines (XP SP3 x86 and Win7 x64). First impression of EasyVPN is that it's an instant messaging application with encrypted connection between clients, while Hamachi is really just a VPN (which is exactly what I need).

The purpose I use Hamachi for is not to chat with others but to create a VPN connection to my home computers while I'm away. All other access is done through other applications, such as mstsc.exe. I have Hamachi installed on 4 computers: 1) home main computer (usually turned off), 2) home server (always on), 3) university computer, 4) laptop. My needs as to what a VPN should offer follow from this.

My required features of a VPN program:
  • Install VPN on 4 machines. Hamachi creates a unique ID for each machine and basically doesn't require any further information for setup. EasyVPN needs my name, e-mail, all really unnecessary details that I don't want to share. The reason for this, supposedly, as mentioned in previous posts is that these details are necessary for the unique identification of the user. I believe they're NOT - see how Hamachi does it. I don't want to give you (or anyone) my e-mail address or other details, let alone create 4 different ones for my 4 computers. This is one of the reasons I think EasyVPN is very similar to an IM program - personal data is not required if it's just a VPN.
  • Hamachi can be configured to run as a service without the need to log on as a user. I need this in case I have to restart my home server, or when I wake up my main home computer in order to access it via RDP. Unless I configured these computers to log on automatically to a user account, I wouldn't be able to run EasyVPN.
  • Remote Desktop access. Hamachi VPN allows me to access other computers on the network using mstsc.exe and the VPN IP. I wasn't able to successfully run mstsc.exe /v:IP between the two virtual machines running EasyVPN. I would like to know if this should work or it is intentionally blocked? The remote desktop connection built-in in EasyVPN is not a suitable replacement because of the need of manual approval on the remote side - clearly, I'm away from home therefore I can't do it. Also, while you consider automatic acceptance of a built-in remote desktop connection a possible security risk, I think RDP (with mstsc) over VPN should not fall into the same category and should be allowed.
  • Robustness. Contrary to what other posters claimed, I never had stability issues with Hamachi. When the connection fails for some reason (might be network or their occasional server restart), the clients usually automatically reconnect. I tested EasyVPN's reconnection abilities and found that on a network disconnection after a couple of seconds the client lost the connection to the server, tried reconnecting for 10-20 seconds then gave up and displayed the log on screen. EasyVPN should try much longer, preferably infinitely each couple of minutes. Best would be to make this behaviour configurable.
  • Advanced settings. E.g. Hamachi's custom menu command, or the previous point.

What Hamachi doesn't have but EasyVPN could or does(?):
  • Comprehensive and open documentation concerning technical details.
  • Direct connection between between computers on the same LAN. I believe Hamachi fails to recognise this situation and thus the connection between my home server and main home pc is always relayed.
  • Create VPN without access to Comodo server between computers when it's possible (i.e. no firewall punching necessary) - I see, however, that this feature would create too many complications.
  • Direct connections should prevail even if Comodo server is down. In my experience Hamachi network falls apart after a while when the servers disappear even if two computers are connected through a direct connection, which essentially shouldn't require a server to be present.

These were my impressions after about 10-20 minutes of using EasyVPN. I like and have been using CIS for ages so I'm confident EasyVPN will also be a successful product.

p.s. It's well hidden in the long text above, therefore I'll repeat my question: should RDP connection with mstsc.exe work on EasyVPN network or is it intentionally blocked?
« Last Edit: May 26, 2010, 06:40:17 AM by Kukac »
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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2010, 09:38:59 AM »
We couldn't get Hamachi working at all; probably due to the different OSes we're using (XP, Vista and 7).  Some machines could ping each other but not all and we never actually managed to get a game on it.

Been gaming over EasyVPN regularly; playing:

Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
Jagged Alliance 2 1.13 HAMM (modded JA2 version)
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (and mods)
Rainbow 6 Vegas
Rainbow 6 Vegas 2
original Ghost Recon (and mods)
Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising
ARMA 2 Demo

Possibly a couple more I can't remember.  Mostly we've only been able to get them running when we get a direct connection, OGR is fine with relay but has to be run as if internet with the IP as the EasyVPN one or as LAN on direct.

There's been the odd problem with getting a direct connection, and just sometimes not being able to log in for some time (flashing icon in taskbar as it keeps trying), but generally speaking EasyVPN has been great for ease of use/setup and reliability.

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2010, 06:50:02 AM »
Why i use Hamachi?

Coz have linux version, i and many my friends use ubuntu or double OS. This make Hamachi our vpn even EasyVPN come much better then hamachi.

So we waiting for ubuntu EasyVPN:)

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2011, 09:15:30 AM »
i know this topic is long dead,but still,i had to say..i LOVE easy VPN over hamachi!
I hosted a server using hamachi(my connection is 1mb/s download,80kb/s upload,pretty bad) on a 2d platformer,Terraria(maybe you've heard of it,it's a great game)
Basically,i had to find another host,there was way to much lag with my connection.Other than that,no offline messages,no smileys,no remote control,slows done computer,the adapter remains activated after you power off hamachi,can't be closed completely,sometimes not working at all,ping never worked.

Now,in search for something better,tried easyvpn.My connection can now host a server of >20 people in the same time(before had lag with 2 poeple),conference option,smileys,microphone,no lag,offline messages(something i would have LOVED in hamachi),can be closed completely,the adapter shuts itself when the computer is offline...
The result?EasyVpn is the SUPREME program for this kind of thing,and i'm moving my entire server right now!
« Last Edit: May 29, 2011, 09:17:25 AM by Nickq »

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2011, 10:13:32 AM »
i know this topic is long dead,but still,i had to say..i LOVE easy VPN over hamachi!
I hosted a server using hamachi(my connection is 1mb/s download,80kb/s upload,pretty bad) on a 2d platformer,Terraria(maybe you've heard of it,it's a great game)
Basically,i had to find another host,there was way to much lag with my connection.Other than that,no offline messages,no smileys,no remote control,slows done computer,the adapter remains activated after you power off hamachi,can't be closed completely,sometimes not working at all,ping never worked.

Now,in search for something better,tried easyvpn.My connection can now host a server of >20 people in the same time(before had lag with 2 poeple),conference option,smileys,microphone,no lag,offline messages(something i would have LOVED in hamachi),can be closed completely,the adapter shuts itself when the computer is offline...
The result?EasyVpn is the SUPREME program for this kind of thing,and i'm moving my entire server right now!

thats great to hear! thank you for letting us know.

we are continually improving EasyVPN.

Melih

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2011, 02:17:39 AM »
thats great to hear! thank you for letting us know.

we are continually improving EasyVPN.

Melih
Good to hear that!One question though...did you add that kick/ban feature that was requested 1 year ago?Does adding the ip to firewall do the job?

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2011, 08:58:09 AM »
Good to hear that!One question though...did you add that kick/ban feature that was requested 1 year ago?Does adding the ip to firewall do the job?

Shane is in charge of EVPN, if you ask him he will be in a better position to answer it tbh.

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2011, 10:04:43 AM »
Hi All,

EasyVPN has undergone a lot of changes including a new fresh name of Comodo Unite.

There are many new features and improvements, such as auto-reconnect, multiple login with one user account with a My Computers section under Networks listing all your own computers, application sharing directly in the chat window, support for other 3rd party IM such as MSN and Facebook and under Tools->Manage Networks feature gives you the ability manage users on your networks.

Comodo Unite 2.5.54.0 RC has been released in the Beta Corner.
http://forums.comodo.com/beta-corner-cevpn/comodo-unite-25540-rc-released-t73054.0.html

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2011, 08:03:25 PM »
I suggest 2 features: a feature similar to Tunngle's Class C Emulator http://www.tunngle.net/wiki/Class_C_Emulator and the ability to define our own private IP.

The reason for a feature like Tunngle's Class C Emulator is that some games only work when all the players are on the same subnet. Also, being able to define our own private IP (instead of being assigned one by Comodo) can help avoid potential conflicts with other adapters.

I would appreciate it if you considered my other suggestions, but unless class C support is implemented in EasyVPN, I will not use it. Class C is both necessary and sufficient for me to use EasyVPN.

Beyond that, it would also be nice to have a higher grade of encryption. I believe Hamachi uses AES-256. I would feel uncomfortable trusting sensitive information to 128 bit encryption.

Finally, I have 2 questions:
1. Does Comodo EasyVPN allow a chatroom type feature? Some VPN software just allows you to send messages to one person at once. A server/group chat that includes everyone in the network would be nice. Hamachi has such a feature.

2. Does information sent between members of the network pass through Comodo's servers, or is it directly sent to the other person?

Thanks. From what brief time I have spent testing EasyVPN, I am willing to give it a chance.
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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2011, 12:39:45 AM »
Finally, I have 2 questions:
1. Does Comodo EasyVPN allow a chatroom type feature? Some VPN software just allows you to send messages to one person at once. A server/group chat that includes everyone in the network would be nice. Hamachi has such a feature.

EasyVPN - now known as Comodo Unite - allows multi party conversations.

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2. Does information sent between members of the network pass through Comodo's servers, or is it directly sent to the other person?

That depends on whether you get a Direct connection or a Relay connection. What type of connection you get depends on your geolocation in relation to the CU servers and whether you are using the free version of a paid one (free ones authenticate through the UK server only).

Hope this helps,
Ewen :-)

Thanks. From what brief time I have spent testing EasyVPN, I am willing to give it a chance.
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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2011, 01:44:00 AM »
Here are some additional suggestions:

When users uninstall EasyVPN, don't just give them a multiple choice survey asking them why they uninstalled. In some cases, "none of the above" would be a more appropriate choice. For example, I uninstalled because EasyVPN doesn't provide class C support for games, but that choice is not listed. So why not provide a way for users to provide their own explanation in such situations? The multiple choice survey in its current form doesn't give users much of a chance to provide their own input. If you truly want to know how users feel but you don't have the time to read through all their responses, just make a multiple choice survey with the last choice being "other", then allow users to provide a written explanation only if they pick "other".

You should also allow users to configure port forwarding settings. In its current form, EasyVPN's settings aren't very detailed or useful. Hamachi allows a user to forward a specific port and then to choose to use that port for traffic. EasyVPN, if it uses specific ports, does not say what those ports are or allow users to choose other ports. If you're worried about the difficulty of configuring EasyVPN, the solution is simple. Just distinguish between "basic" and "advanced" settings, then allow users to change certain settings only if they feel comfortable doing so.

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Re: EasyVPN vs. Hamachi - Let's compare!
« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2011, 08:06:41 AM »
G'day :)

I found Comodo Unite via AlternativeTo while trying to find something with a less restrictive (read Expensive) license than Hamachi.

I currently use Hamachi along with DeltaCopy, an rsync clone, to provide an offsite backup service to some not for profit customers.

A new for-profit customer wants to use my service as well, but I baulk at spending $100+ per year for a commercial Hamachi license and don't really want to break the licensing conditions in a reasonable-sized business!

Comodo Unite appears to work well, and is labeled as "Free" but the installer prompts for a license key. Googling for "Comodo Unite License" etc doesn't turn up any clues however as to what this key will cost, how long it lasts, etc.

If it is to be charged, I would much prefer it to be a one-off cost rather than an ongoing cost.

So far as CUnite's features compared to Hamachi:

1 - I'd like a Right-Click --> Ping option, but happy to copy IP. (To make it user friendly, perhaps this, and Browse client could be put in an "Advanced" or "Guru"  submenu.)

2 - One feature of the older Hamachi client was the possibility to turn on Routed Tunneling - allowing a basic PC to act as a router between two LANs - which was very effective for the few months I used it. (Had to create a hamachi-override.ini, and use the ROUTE command.) This, for example, allowed their Windows Server in Main Office A to talk natively to their IP Printer in Remote Office B. I ended up getting that customer two Billion modems that could do LAN Bridging natively.

Both of those are small things tho - it appears to work as is (currently restrained within two XP VMs on different PCs.) - I'm only using one account but it allows multiple logins per account so I can browse both comps under "My Computers" in the CUnite Window. Very pleased with that :) (Others in this post seemed to think you needed separate accounts.)

You might be interested in building in something like rsync in the future so users can then sync folders between PCs. (Rsync compares files in blocks and transfers just the changed blocks, making it possible to sync Multi-Gigabyte outlook files, for example, over a modest connection.) That will be my primary use if the license makes using CUnite viable. (If it costs too much, it will be cheaper for potential customers to use other online backup services instead.)

I know Steve Gibson is (was?) planning on writing a similar program called CryptoLink, but he's been distracted by some SciFi books and his "Portable Dog Killer Mk 2" project, so I suspect it's vapourware for now. That is the only serious competition I can see for your project. The others I tried  - Wippien in particular - looked like it would work but was hopelessly unreliable; and I'm not inclined to teach myself OpenVPN.

Good work Guys! (and Gals if there are any involved.)

Cheers, Mike.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2011, 08:15:21 AM by cccmikey »

 

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