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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2016, 04:54:21 PM »
Yigido do you also have the url for the download of the Netscape plugin?
NPAPI link?
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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2016, 12:43:39 AM »
But I cannot understand, this guy also provides free and open sourced Chromium fork..
https://github.com/henrypp/chrlauncher
Either it is using the system’s decoders (like Opera), or it has enabled Chromium’s support for proprietary formats. Yes, it’s all there, in FFmpeg’s libavcodec, just disabled by default, for licensing reasons.
It's better for users if the web moves to free open standards.
Indeed. By using VP9 (and later VP10, AV1) instead of AVC/H.264 (which is obsolete and inefficient), bandwidth cost can also be lowered considerably.
Microsoft added support for VP9 and Opus to Edge, and is working with Google, Mozilla, Adobe and others in the Alliance for Open Media.
But of course there is always one rotten apple (missing) in the basket…
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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2016, 01:47:27 AM »
Indeed.

For Windows: https://get.adobe.com/tr/flashplayer/download/?installer=FP_23_for_Firefox_-_NPAPI&os=Windows%207&browser_type=Opera&browser_dist=OEM&d=Google_Chrome_4.0.0.4_Opera_Browser&dualoffer=false&mdualoffer=false&chromedefault=false&standalone=1

This must be works.
Try that in the future..
Go to https://get.adobe.com/tr/flashplayer/
Select NPAPI, disable offers..and click on download.. You will see an URL in the URL bar
Code: [Select]
https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/download/?installer=...after this URL you should add &standalone=1

Then enter the URL again and you should get the offline installer. NPAPI is a bit tricky but it worked on my PC.  ;)
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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2016, 06:35:47 AM »
Indeed.
Hi Eric,
Direct downloads to NPAPI and ActiveX offline installers below, estimated 18-19 MB each.
Flash Player for Internet Explorer - ActiveX
Flash Player for Firefox - NPAPI

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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2016, 06:56:05 AM »
Thank you yigio and captain; bookmarked for future reference.

I always used https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution.html  but that has gotten closed down.

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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2016, 05:42:52 PM »
You are welcome Eric. :)

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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2016, 11:01:49 AM »
Decided to try CD, but now I have similar issue as the described here: http://superuser.com/questions/308135/how-can-i-improve-font-appearance-in-google-chrome
What can I do?

EDIT: Same with Chromodo. It's unusable.
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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2016, 05:44:59 PM »
Hi 23,
I don't know if any of the suggestions in the link below will help, the issue appears to be more difficult to solve for users experiencing this issue since the removal of the 'Disable Direct Write flag'.
Strange & unpleasant fonts

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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2016, 05:01:42 PM »
I hope and dream an open web too..but I need fluent browsing experience..

...

But I cannot understand, this guy also provides free and open sourced Chromium fork..
https://github.com/henrypp/chrlauncher

This browser can play those Twitter videos.

Hi yigido,

The chrlauncher is probably built with the other encoders included.

If you take a quick look here:
https://www.chromium.org/audio-video

This details the audio video for Chromium and Google Chrome.


Codec Support

Chromium supports the following:
Vorbis audio codec
Theora video codec
Opus audio codec
VP8 video codec
VP9 video codec
PCM 8-bit unsigned integer
PCM 16-bit signed integer little endian
PCM 32-bit float little endian
Ogg container format
WebM container format
WAV container format


The page then goes on to say that Google Chrome has extras:


When building Google Chrome, the following codecs/containers are also included:
MP3 audio codec
AAC audio codec (Main only, not AAC-LC, AAC-SSR, HE-AAC)
H.264 video codec
MP4 container format


I don't want to make any accusations here but one possible reason could be that chrlauncher is not licensed correctly.  It's probably built with different GYP_DEFINES and therefore includes these proprietary codecs and the Widevines plug-in, which again may not be licensed correctly.  We cannot release Dragon in this build configuration with the Google Chrome codecs as it would not be legal and licensed correctly. We do however have a Widevines license with Google and agreements with Adobe for PPAPI Flash.

The team has been working to add in support for the built-in codecs in Windows to bypass AVC/H.264 licensing issues and costs.

Further Reading:
AVC/H.264 License Agreement:
http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Agreement.aspx

Interesting Article from a while ago based on the 2011-2015 licensing plan to give you an idea of the playing field for H.264 support:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/a-closer-look-at-the-costs-and-fine-print-of-h-264-licenses/

In summary
If Dragon/Chromodo or any other software such as Firefox or chrlauncher has unlicensed code for h.264 encoders or decoders then the costs are:
- First 100,000 units free.
- Above 100,000 to 5 million it's a fee of $0.20 per unit.
-Above 5 million it's $0.10 per unit.
- There's a fee cap at $8.125M in 2016 and $9.75M per year in
2017 through 2020.  Post 2020 the cost will only go up higher.
 
Hope this explains chrlauncher for you.

Thanks,
Shane.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 05:36:04 PM by Shane »
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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2016, 07:01:52 PM »
I would suspect if we stop bagging Comodos browsers and actually show some support, then maybe Comodo might consider putting some financial backing into their browsers.

I personally wouldn't even consider spending money if support is lacking.


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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2016, 02:05:43 AM »
In summary
If Dragon/Chromodo or any other software such as Firefox or chrlauncher has unlicensed code for h.264 encoders or decoders then the costs are:
- First 100,000 units free.
- Above 100,000 to 5 million it's a fee of $0.20 per unit.
-Above 5 million it's $0.10 per unit.
- There's a fee cap at $8.125M in 2016 and $9.75M per year in
2017 through 2020.  Post 2020 the cost will only go up higher.
And add to that the cost for AAC, and maybe mp3.
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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2016, 02:20:10 AM »
How Google use these codecs  ??? Too much cost for them for such usage share on market  ???
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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2016, 04:20:05 AM »
How Google use these codecs  ??? Too much cost for them for such usage share on market  ???
I would have though you would realise, what you give them when you use their browser.

Something which they use to great effect :D
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Re: Comodo Dragon v52.15.25.664 is now available for download.
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2016, 04:32:40 AM »
In January 2011, Google said that they would remove support for AVC/H.264¹, but that did not happen. What I do expect will happen that Google will not add support for AVC’s successor, HEVC/265, and let AVC, which is now 13 years old, stay until it has been phased out on the web. HEVC, with its two patent pools, has no future on the web. VP9 is as good as HEVC, and is supported by Chromium, Firefox and Edge. YouTube has used it since 2013. The next step is VP10, and then AV1 (mostly based on VP10).

¹ https://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
¹ https://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/more-about-chrome-html-video-codec.html
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