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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 12:55:39 PM »
What about the change of antivirus? I mean, the first antivirus did not protect and the second need to make the cleaning?

Although, I agree that the antivirus should protect (not clean by itself).
Some antivirus are very good on cleaning routines and not so good on protection imho (for instance, Dr. Web).
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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 01:37:34 PM »
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So as you can see, having both capability of Protection and cleaning in one product is unnecessary!

Thanks Melih , I agree that protection and cleaning are two very different things. but for the users with infected PCs it will be very useful to just download one package ( CIS + CCE included ) and when he installs CIS the CCE will easily be launched and take out all the bad stuff , that is so important to improve the Comodo's reputation for the average users.

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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 01:38:38 PM »
Thanks Melih , I agree that protection and cleaning are two very different things. but for the users with infected PCs it will be very useful to just download one package ( CIS + CCE included ) and when he installs CIS the CCE will easily be launched and take out all the bad stuff , that is so important for improving the Comodo's reputation for the average users.



for some yes.

but some infections require cd bootup etc..i am afraid there is no easy answer for infected users.

we are building a cd bootup as well btw....so once the cleaning done, then CCE can recommend to install CIS....but downloading all CIS just to clean while you have CCE (and boot cd) wouldn't be most efficient imo.

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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 01:43:18 PM »
but downloading all CIS just to clean while you have CCE (and boot cd) wouldn't be most efficient imo.
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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 01:53:04 PM »
Melih... Why don't you make CCE capable to start before boot, just like CTM can? Btw I like the video and the concept; no need too clean when a computer can be kept clean. And you did you draw everything in the video

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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 02:12:12 PM »
for some yes.

but some infections require cd bootup etc..i am afraid there is no easy answer for infected users.

we are building a cd bootup as well btw....so once the cleaning done, then CCE can recommend to install CIS....but downloading all CIS just to clean while you have CCE (and boot cd) wouldn't be most efficient imo.

Melih

Best wishes on building the cd boot up  :-TU I'm sure it will be a wonderful software , but think of it , let's say that the users with infected PCs that their case requires a boot up cd will be like 50 % of the total infected users in the market , and the other 50 % doesn't require a boot up cleaning , so why don't u make their life easier by integrating the CCE capabilities in CIS ? , and also this will be very useful to get nice results on the famous testing organization ( they care about cleaning much as u know ).

I think Comodo should wait for CCE to mature a bit and then integrate it in CIS , at least to achieve good results in antivirus tests and reviews all around.  :-TU
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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2011, 02:53:37 PM »
so if protection and cleaning are two different things is comodo going to to take out the av scanner in cis and all the different settings that can be used when the system is infected like in defense + - "block all unknown request if the application is closed" and adaptive mode? cuz all these to me seem like settings and tools for cleaning
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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2011, 03:33:17 PM »
It is sad that so many users are unaware that backup & restore solutions exist or are unable to use them. Because when your security software alerts you that you are infected, I think it's quite more easy to restore a clean image of your system partition than take the whole painfull path of cleaning an infected system.

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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2011, 03:41:19 PM »
so why don't u make their life easier by integrating the CCE capabilities in CIS ? , and also this will be very useful to get nice results on the famous testing organization ( they care about cleaning much as u know ).

I think Comodo should wait for CCE to mature a bit and then integrate it in CIS , at least to achieve good results in antivirus tests and reviews all around.  :-TU

Quote from PC magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364844,00.asp
"But because Panda Cloud Antivirus is so very effective at malware blocking, it retains the Editors' Choice designation for free antivirus. Still, if another app can do better where Panda falls down, at clean up, it might not keep the crown for long".

Comodo could take the crown. Like Salaficall said, publicity.
I started using Comodo after reading an article in PC Magazine, where he got the EC for a firewall.
I had never heard about Comodo (back then i did not know nothing about computers), and i had to make my choice based on something.
But i understand what Melih is saying.
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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2011, 03:43:58 PM »
so if protection and cleaning are two different things is Comodo going to to take out the av scanner in cis and all the different settings that can be used when the system is infected like in defense + - "block all unknown request if the application is closed" and adaptive mode? cuz all these to me seem like settings and tools for cleaning

AV scanner within CIS is mainly used for "usability" rather than cleaning.

The point is: Cleaning and Protecting are 2 seperate tasks. Putting two in one doesn't make sense...
why?

1)infected PC: most likely you will require a bootup CD..installing your AV that requires hooks etc is the last thing as you might even have difficulty in installing it..The code you need to "protect" a pc is different than a code you need to 'clean'.

2)Clean PC: now, why would you have any "cleaning code" if your PC is clean? You would just need "protection code".. lets be honest lets say you are using Protection N for your computer..and it fails in protecting and you get infected....do you expect Protection N to clean it? Of course not, it failed in protecting you from the malware in the first place, so it won't be able to clean it either.

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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2011, 03:48:09 PM »
AV scanner within CIS is mainly used for "usability" rather than cleaning.

The point is: Cleaning and Protecting are 2 seperate tasks. Putting two in one doesn't make sense...
why?

1)infected PC: most likely you will require a bootup CD..installing your AV that requires hooks etc is the last thing as you might even have difficulty in installing it..The code you need to "protect" a pc is different than a code you need to 'clean'.

2)Clean PC: now, why would you have any "cleaning code" if your PC is clean? You would just need "protection code".. lets be honest lets say you are using Protection N for your computer..and it fails in protecting and you get infected....do you expect Protection N to clean it? Of course not, it failed in protecting you from the malware in the first place, so it won't be able to clean it either.

no you miss what i mean by av scanner. i meant the manual scans and scheduled scans that looks for malware not the realtime scanner. the realtime scanner is for usability and the on demand scan is for cleaning and the options i discussed in my first post is also for cleaning not for prevention
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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2011, 08:59:22 PM »
no you miss what i mean by av scanner. i meant the manual scans and scheduled scans that looks for malware not the realtime scanner. the realtime scanner is for usability and the on demand scan is for cleaning and the options i discussed in my first post is also for cleaning not for prevention

interesting point....good question indeed!

Comodo has redefined the way we secure ourselves. Turning the "default allow" methods of "legacy AVs" into a "Default Deny architecture with Automatic Sandboxing".....so....we will continue to evolve....

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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2011, 01:00:52 AM »
interesting point....good question indeed!

Comodo has redefined the way we secure ourselves. Turning the "default allow" methods of "legacy AVs" into a "Default Deny architecture with Automatic Sandboxing".....so....we will continue to evolve....

well it will be interesting to see how cis evolves over time after cce is released
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Re: Protection vs Cleaning….two very different things!
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 01:43:06 AM »
no you miss what i mean by av scanner. i meant the manual scans and scheduled scans that looks for malware not the realtime scanner. the realtime scanner is for usability and the on demand scan is for cleaning and the options i discussed in my first post is also for cleaning not for prevention
They could also be used for detection, and then at least you know if a problem is present.

 

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