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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2010, 12:36:40 AM »
What we need then is not separate antivirus vendors competing with each other, providing different signatures, but a single collection of ALL known malware in existence. That's a start and is the ONLY way antivirus can ever protect the computer community as a whole.
This will never happen. AV vendors are no different than businesses in any other field where competition drives the marketplace. For all AV's to use the same signatures would mean that they also had to use the same engine. Developing the best engine and most up to date signature database is at the core of development and competition and to ensure competitive advantages, elements of the software have to be kept proprietary and secret. A vendor does not want their AV signatures to be usable by anyone else. Just look at the lawsuit Malwarebytes filed against IObit. If all AV's were the same, there would be no competition and then there would probably eventually be antitrust issues.
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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2010, 07:45:44 AM »
For all AV's to use the same signatures would mean that they also had to use the same engine. Developing the best engine and most up to date signature database is at the core of development and competition and to ensure competitive advantages, elements of the software have to be kept proprietary and secret.
In this perspective, what do you think on this thread?
Why did it just dye?

https://forums.comodo.com/antivirus-help-cis/comodo-anti-virus-true-t59169.0.html;msg417986#msg417986
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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2010, 09:44:59 AM »
its not about using same signatures..
its about sharing malware in realtime...

by not sharing malware in realtime, av companies gain detection %age advantage and use that in their marketing.

So in order for the AV company to have a marketing differentiation, other users must suffer. this seems wrong.

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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2010, 10:10:10 AM »
Melih... Why did you don't release a list of the av companies that share malware each other with Comodo? Why did you just let that thread dye?
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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2010, 11:51:43 AM »
Melih... Why did you don't release a list of the av companies that share malware each other with Comodo? Why did you just let that thread dye?

everyone shares...but sharing an old virus is different than creating a "clearing house" in which malware can be shared in real time.

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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2010, 11:59:06 AM »
everyone shares...but sharing an old virus is different than creating a "clearing house" in which malware can be shared in real time.
Melih. Many thanks for this info. It answers my previous doubts.
I've thought that the majority of the av companies should have doing that but, like you've said, with old malware. The new ones remain as marketing/sales "advantage".

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Hope we can discover new honeypots to inform Comodo.
Hope we can make CIS better (somehow, together).
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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2010, 08:42:06 PM »
Just wanted to say been on here for 30 minutes now and still have'nt found out how to get a simple security question posted or answered! This site is rediculous.

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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2010, 08:49:11 PM »
Just wanted to say been on here for 30 minutes now and still have'nt found out how to get a simple security question posted or answered! This site is rediculous.
What do you mean?
You didn't ask anything, what are we supposed to answer?
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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2010, 09:46:26 PM »
Just wanted to say been on here for 30 minutes now and still have'nt found out how to get a simple security question posted or answered! This site is rediculous.
First conclusion is that you can post.

This is a big site and can be intimidating when first entering it. What is your question? Is it a general question or a question about one of the programs?

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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2010, 03:00:01 AM »
its not about using same signatures..
its about sharing malware in realtime...

By "sharing malware in realtime" do you mean through using a cloud-based antivirus?
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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2010, 07:19:29 AM »
By "sharing malware in realtime" do you mean through using a cloud-based antivirus?


what i mean is: when an av company finds out about a new virus, they should immediately share this with every other AV company.

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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2010, 06:22:33 PM »
what i mean is: when an av company finds out about a new virus, they should immediately share this with every other AV company.

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I could not agree more Melih if every AV company could do that it would help keep everyone more protected and the internet would become more safer if you could speak to other AV companys and get it so this would happen that would be AWESOME but why do i have a feeling they will say no its because they want to have better dection than other AV companys but as i like to say there is no harm in trying as you may just get lucky  ;D

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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2010, 07:23:26 PM »
what i mean is: when an av company finds out about a new virus, they should immediately share this with every other AV company.

Melih
Again , it's all about competition for market share. Does a retail store that finds a great deal on merchandise that they can then sell for less than the competition inform their competitors of the deal and thus lose their advantage? It's a nice utopian idea but it will never happen.
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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2010, 08:59:12 PM »
Again , it's all about competition for market share. Does a retail store that finds a great deal on merchandise that they can then sell for less than the competition inform their competitors of the deal and thus lose their advantage? It's a nice utopian idea but it will never happen.
We're not talking about sharing the code or the signatures (the ability to detect, the engine...), but the malware (which "belongs" to nobody).
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Re: Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2010, 10:43:21 PM »
We're not talking about sharing the code or the signatures (the ability to detect, the engine...), but the malware (which "belongs" to nobody).

exactly!

And guess how they find these new malware.....the users report it to them after an infection!

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