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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2013, 02:39:24 PM »
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Name/show me one. Also the chances of it getting out with CIS are very slim anyway.

what you want?  malware samples which has VK logging ability?
there are tons of samples malware releated sites. Just search yourself if you want.

VK, is another layer but not a big deal. All banking web sites, already has VK but there are tons of malware can bypass this protection. 

7 years ago;
http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/09/banking-trojan-defeating-virtual.html


Malware can dedected mouse x-y positions so can log used keys. Or screen record, or capture. Anyway, always there is a way. VK is not perfect answer, just another layer. So comodo still using keylogger protection, not only vk.


VK and Anti-logging ability are different things. Not equal and my problem is different. i dont know why we are talking about VK.


My problem is;
Untrusted auto-sandboxed malware can capture keystrokes.
HIPS doesnt protect against virtualized/autosandboxed malware

just this. i am not interesting about tweaked settings, virtual keyboards.
many people dont know anything about complex settings/alets, they use out of the box. and my problem is probably about architecture not settings.
is there any option for HIPS protection for "fully virtualized" samples?
i just report my situation!
« Last Edit: January 03, 2013, 03:42:29 PM by may-moons »

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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2013, 05:24:01 PM »
Nothing is enabled in the HIPS, except what was enabled by switching to proactive security and restarting. I've attached a screenshot, showing that in addition to switching to proactive and restarting I also unchecked the HIPS.

I've also attached a screenshot of my BB settings.

Ah just what I was thinking. Enable enhanced protection might have done it no?
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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2013, 05:38:06 PM »
what you want?  malware samples which has VK logging ability?
there are tons of samples malware releated sites. Just search yourself if you want.

VK, is another layer but not a big deal. All banking web sites, already has VK but there are tons of malware can bypass this protection.  

7 years ago;
http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/09/banking-trojan-defeating-virtual.html


Malware can dedected mouse x-y positions so can log used keys. Or screen record, or capture. Anyway, always there is a way. VK is not perfect answer, just another layer. So comodo still using keylogger protection, not only vk.


VK and Anti-logging ability are different things. Not equal and my problem is different. i dont know why we are talking about VK.


My problem is;
Untrusted auto-sandboxed malware can capture keystrokes.
HIPS doesnt protect against virtualized/autosandboxed malware

just this. i am not interesting about tweaked settings, virtual keyboards.
many people dont know anything about complex settings/alets, they use out of the box. and my problem is probably about architecture not settings.
is there any option for HIPS protection for "fully virtualized" samples?
i just report my situation!

I disagree with your points. Okay let's talk about your problem. CIS HIPS does a perfect job with keyloggers. Better than any other security software on the AV market today. What's the point of using something which is not at the maximum level of the security it can be? What complex/alerts settings? Please! When you are talking about the architecture you just mean new CIS 6?
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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2013, 06:06:52 PM »
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I disagree with your points. Okay let's talk about your problem. CIS HIPS does a perfect job with keyloggers. Better than any other security software on the AV market today. What's the point of using something which is not at the maximum level of the security it can be? What complex/alerts settings? Please! When you are talking about the architecture you just mean new CIS 6?


when SS leak test released CIS doesnt prevent any attack, all test failed.
We report and they added protection for that case.
Problem reporting is important for quality of product.
and i report my problem.

So why you say?

do you reject problem? or reject me?

"CIS HIPS does a perfect job with keyloggers."
so why zemana keylogger can bypass CIS keylogger protection!
there isnt perfect product, included CIS. CIS has a "perfect" selfdefense but some POC can disable it!


"Better than any other security software on the AV market today."
wow, is there any test? or theorically? you say what you believe, not reality.
This is not race!
Just we are talking about software. Best or better, not god made, there will be bug, and problem.



There is a problem, i just report it because of this;
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=2166219&postcount=391


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Would you please make this post [at] the Comodo Forum? I'm sure they'll appreciate it, and we may all have a better CIS for that.

and i dont know who are you, i just want to report developers/mods. not another users.
am i care they will fix or not?
maybe but there are too many security software. so it is not matter of life and death for me.

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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2013, 06:29:09 PM »

when SS leak test released CIS doesnt prevent any attack, all test failed.
We report and they added protection for that case.
Problem reporting is important for quality of product.
and i report my problem.

So why you say?

do you reject problem? or reject me?

"CIS HIPS does a perfect job with keyloggers."
so why zemana keylogger can bypass CIS keylogger protection!
there isnt perfect product, included CIS. CIS has a "perfect" selfdefense but some POC can disable it!


"Better than any other security software on the AV market today."
wow, is there any test? or theorically? you say what you believe, not reality.
This is not race!
Just we are talking about software. Best or better, not god made, there will be bug, and problem.



There is a problem, i just report it because of this;
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=2166219&postcount=391


and i dont know who are you, i just want to report developers/mods. not another users.
am i care they will fix or not?
maybe but there are too many security software. so it is not matter of life and death for me.


Well good for you. I don't reject anything but you really want me to address each of your points? It's gonna be 10 pages LOL! I don't want to go off topic here even more. Zemana didn't pass on many other systems. Don't go into POC please. It's all pure speculation. You want to say that you know better than Comodo staff? LOL! Why Comodo is the best? Because nothing beats default deny. AV market is all about a race wake up. You already done so. I never used Windows 8 and never will so I'm no help to you.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2013, 06:32:13 PM by Seany007 »
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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2013, 06:31:23 PM »

when SS leak test released CIS doesnt prevent any attack, all test failed.
We report and they added protection for that case.
Problem reporting is important for quality of product.
and i report my problem.

...

"CIS HIPS does a perfect job with keyloggers."
so why zemana keylogger can bypass CIS keylogger protection!
there isnt perfect product, included CIS. CIS has a "perfect" selfdefense but some POC can disable it!


"Better than any other security software on the AV market today."
wow, is there any test? or theorically? you say what you believe, not reality.
This is not race!
Just we are talking about software. Best or better, not god made, there will be bug, and problem.

You are so right! I hope the developers will figure out this problems and will help you.

right now, CIS in default settings are unable to protect against this attack. And with your settings its the same.

So we cant say CIS is better than any other security software on the AV market!
« Last Edit: January 03, 2013, 06:46:42 PM by M.Richter »

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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2013, 06:41:52 PM »
Why Comodo is the best? Because nothing beats default deny.

Sorry, but that is absolutely wrong!
We have many cases reported and documented here in the CIS Forum like in other Forums too, that some attacks can bypass CIS. To close your eyes, or just believe nothing can beat CIS, will it not make better.

The guy wants only help and reports a bug. Telling him, that COMODO is the best, will not help him.


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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2013, 06:49:37 PM »
Sorry, but that is absolutely wrong!
We have many cases reported and documented here in the CIS Forum like in other Forums too, that some attacks can bypass CIS. To close your eyes, or just believe nothing can beat CIS, will it not make better.

The guy wants only help and reports a bug. Telling him, that COMODO is the best, will not help him.



You know what? I'm not going to argue with you. Close my eyes? Believe? You are talking to somebody you don't even know. He already made a report it's done. And mind your own business we were talking about something else with him.
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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2013, 07:09:40 PM »
You know what? I'm not going to argue with you.

:-) Thank you. All is reported and documented, so we dont have to argue.

  You are talking to somebody you don't even know.

Your are right. I know only what i had read from you. In my opinion, from the objectively view, some things was wrong what u had said. 

Dont see it so serious please.




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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2013, 07:25:06 PM »
I think chiron has clearly explained that even if a keylogger does log keystrokes it will not transmit(thats if the keylogger is allowed in the first place at all.)

Like anything in life,if its good at what it does there are always detractors.
My advice would be to all detractors would be if you dont like the program then simply dont use it.

And a large majority of these "POCS" will never come across a large number of users.
What i have found very interesting is that the authors of these "pocs" are so unwilling to submit them and help but would rather keep them and detract a product.

We need to remember cisv6 is new and of course there will be minor bugs but rather than trying to give the product a bad name we should be helping to make it better and thats a joint effort for everybody.

No matter how strong or weak a product is it is the end user behind the keyboard who controls whats sites they visit etc.
Cheers. ;D
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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2013, 08:06:30 PM »
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Like anything in life,if its good at what it does there are always detractors. ...
 ...we should be helping to make it better and thats a joint effort for everybody. ....

In my opinion all what you had said is right, especially that above. But Detractors should be welcome :-) if they help to improve the software.


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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2013, 11:27:25 PM »
If you say, comodo will not let things leak,
explain to the average Joe that he should not ever press the game mode button.

If you understand comodo, and all its buttons, you might be safe.
If you blindly trust in names and defaults, you might get burned one day.

Comodo is sometimes only as good as the user is understanding/setting it.
I would never suggest comodo in default. Especially not version 6.

So every hint about a problem is a welcome thing. Because known problems are probably solved problems.

"If there is a problem, it`s something interesting. Try to circumvent or fix it.
In the old ages there has been no support. That`s why we got the brain we have today.
Otherwise we would only be able to call a number and listen.
But there was no phone...."

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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2013, 03:56:35 AM »
If you say, comodo will not let things leak,
explain to the average Joe that he should not ever press the game mode button.

If you understand comodo, and all its buttons, you might be safe.
If you blindly trust in names and defaults, you might get burned one day.

Comodo is sometimes only as good as the user is understanding/setting it.
I would never suggest comodo in default. Especially not version 6.

So every hint about a problem is a welcome thing. Because known problems are probably solved problems.



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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2013, 05:04:37 AM »
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You want to say that you know better than Comodo staff? LOL! Why Comodo is the best? Because nothing beats default deny. AV market is all about a race wake up. You already done so. I never used Windows 8 and never will so I'm no help to you.

i dont know, what you know about me, how can compare between us without any idea about me.
developers are human and human do mistake.
Default deny is not new. V5 already has this concept but v5 bypassed many times.
comodo will release new version CIS because it is not perfect and never be. And also others.

But,

i am bussy man, i have no time for this. nice days.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 05:07:20 AM by may-moons »

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Re: Zemana can capture keystrokes
« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2013, 02:08:48 AM »
I encountered the same problem...I downloaded the trial version of Myjad Keylooger Pro then tried many ways to deactivate it. But it didn't work, still logging keystrokes...Finally i just uninstalled it :P
« Last Edit: August 20, 2013, 02:11:04 AM by oliviaellaschweitzer »

 

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