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Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« on: June 11, 2010, 12:59:25 PM »
Watch this video to truly understand the issue and how we solved it.

It certainly will be worth your time!

thank you

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 02:04:42 PM »
Great video, Melih. Easy to follow.
 Btw, your handwriting on a white board is better than mine :)
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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 03:09:23 PM »
Great video, Melih. Easy to follow.
 Btw, your handwriting on a white board is better than mine :)


lol...i do have a bad handwriting :), maybe we can create a club :)

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 03:10:55 PM »
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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 05:43:48 PM »
Watch this video to truly understand the issue and how we solved it.

It certainly will be worth your time!

thank you

Melih

This is a great video that explains very simply how Comodo works and what does the security offered by this product compared with traditional AV. I think this video would be good to be known by as many people to understand better the new Comodo technology compared to other products.
What I think is very important in this video is the simple and familiar way in which Melih explained what Comodo has to offer.  :-TU

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 06:03:56 PM »
1  I wish I had as much hair as you do.

2   This video could/should be 5 minutes long.

3   Most words you used only make sense to a above average user.

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 06:08:51 PM »
i like the strategically placed comodo mug  :-TU

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 07:16:56 PM »
Well done video Melih

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2010, 08:54:49 PM »
Nice video.  Like SG65 said, many parts could be condensed, but for the regular user, it may be good to have long explanations. 

My handwriting deteriorates notably when I'm using a whiteboard/chalkboard.  :)

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2010, 01:23:54 AM »
Hi Guys,

Melih, that was probably the 1st video, which I will not "severely criticize"  ;D

Regarding the hand writing compare to mine - you can be the "role model"
I will not go near any  Pageant hand-writing Competition hosted by Donald Trump & where you are participating... not saying that the "hair issue" was touched here in this thread as well, in one of the replies (see above) :D
( as a matter of fact I have long hair ... my own...  and much much more!!! hahahaa!)

Now, closer to more serious matter - the video is definitely  good and educational especially because many users ( new / less experienced/ etc. ) indeed having no idea when the are hearing those terms : denies / defaults / black & white lists/ the concept of the architecture & so on ...

Well done! ... no matter what .. some may say that it's very simplified ... not enough ... and alike ... , but I may say that is important message to start with for such category of users.

As for sandboxing - the concept is correct ... but you know about my negative opinion about Comodo's implementation in particular ... I will not dwell on this here ( !ot!)

There is another thing that probably deserves more explanation though  most likely in a different video similar to this :

- What is this white list?
- How you (Comodo) check those white-listed Applications?... and compare/confirm - that is what you "dear user" having on your PC now;
- Don't we know that many "decent" applications including the system ones (even as  kernel) can be compromised???;
- What is this panacea  about "digitally signed" applications? ... and  creating that huge list of those? Do we really need all of that?;
- Does the "digital signing" the way it works currently really completely workable concept? I have real doubts...;
- Can or cannot those be compromised as well...  it seems actually  - they can be ... hmmm...;
That issue was touched in one of our old discussions  and at the time you agreed that "digital signatures" as they are implemented currently are not enough...  

My point here is - mainly those particular issues mentioned deserve a separate and serious discussion(s) ... probably another article and/or video as decent as this one

I personally not a big fan/believer of "Trusted / Signed" ... - they can be poisoned  

So probably you & your team will come up with another (popular) explanation regarding the matter

Cheers!

for this video  - have one  :Beer
for the sandbox - give it back to me!   ;D
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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2010, 12:05:49 PM »
My wife said noone would notice the hair :) (honeeeyyy...someone did!!!!)

1)Whitelist applications: There is a huge process 8 page long flowcharts as to how to determine if a file is safe or not....

2)Anything can be comprimised: But system files are usually digitall signed, hence any comprimise will cause the digital signature to be invalid. There is no way of comprimising a digitally signed file without invalidating its digital signature.

3)I wish all applications were digitally signed..life would be much much easier for us.

4)Its totally workable...the whole infrastructure is there from your browser to your OS to your email client..they all support it and its a widely accepted standard..

5)digital certs/signatures cannot be comprimised...there is no way (mathematically) and practically etc etc...its a solid foundation of trust..

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2010, 03:39:45 AM »
My wife said noone would notice the hair :) (honeeeyyy...someone did!!!!)...

1st – saying that your wife was  wrong  regarding  hair  would be wrong :)
...but she was  -  don't tell her, please

Other than that...

“mathematically” ???  R U serious?  Or  you are  just joking?

My point was that you have to address & prove the issue & that it is bloody (sorry for inappropriate word)  it is a working  solution

It is not!
Since you did not provide the links  I will not do that as well - Let the  users find out

It is proven “mathematically” that md5 and SH(whatever) can be broken … ha!

Then “mathematically”...  white or black lists are crap anyway , aren't they?

You do not worry, or as they use to say here in “Oz Land”:  No worries , mate!”

I have a special PC for testing  those “unknown”

 97% (do you like this figure?)  that are flagged by many (most) security packages are pure crap

Not all security are engaging this “technology”, but many do & Comodo (AV part) is the one, which is notorious in this area (not speaking about the real enormous!!! amount of real FPs) -  you just go and gather any possible link/software in P2P and add it to the signatures …

That is Bad!


Sure , I do not want to promote  using cracks & keygens – that is wrong indeed …
but …
… how can I put it here diplomatically -
cut the crap (sorry again) with  “mathematical” signed and whatever you are trying to drill into users brains

as I said 97% of them are indeed “unknown” … but not malicious …. hmm...

and please provide the links were the experts are talking  about  dig.Signatures  as well are they completely safe? That was the main point … not the “mathematically impossible” incorrect statement that  many do not ever understand
 
The special PC  I've mentioned is running :
Multi- boot  (all cracked) XP, Vista,Win 7 x64, MS Office; Nero (the latest),  Sony Suite;   Cubase H2O  -  cracked dongle - protected!!!!  made brilliantly (!!!!!!! seven exclamation marks),  Adobe CS 3 /4 /5 (!!!) … do you  need more ?

Many security just gather those from P2P and flagging.

Sitting here working with all of those... enjoying  &  laughing   (:TNG)

Not all security do that -
but Comodo is the most of the notorious in this area  - wrong & crap no matter whether it's “Black or White” list – “disguising disgrace” no other word I can find,... well  My English as usual is not perfect, but I hope  some users will get it

Do not try that at home folks - you digitally signed ... but "compromised" MS (whatever)  will work ... but ... my point was different
I hope you got that

Grrrr!  Goose  bumps I'm having now

Cheers!
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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2010, 11:20:56 AM »
1st – saying that your wife was  wrong  regarding  hair  would be wrong :)
...but she was  -  don't tell her, please

Other than that...

“mathematically” ???  R U serious?  Or  you are  just joking?

My point was that you have to address & prove the issue & that it is bloody (sorry for inappropriate word)  it is a working  solution

It is not!
Since you did not provide the links  I will not do that as well - Let the  users find out

It is proven “mathematically” that md5 and SH(whatever) can be broken … ha!

Then “mathematically”...  white or black lists are crap anyway , aren't they?

You do not worry, or as they use to say here in “Oz Land”:  No worries , mate!”

I have a special PC for testing  those “unknown”

 97% (do you like this figure?)  that are flagged by many (most) security packages are pure crap

Not all security are engaging this “technology”, but many do & Comodo (AV part) is the one, which is notorious in this area (not speaking about the real enormous!!! amount of real FPs) -  you just go and gather any possible link/software in P2P and add it to the signatures …

That is Bad!


Sure , I do not want to promote  using cracks & keygens – that is wrong indeed …
but …
… how can I put it here diplomatically -
cut the crap (sorry again) with  “mathematical” signed and whatever you are trying to drill into users brains

as I said 97% of them are indeed “unknown” … but not malicious …. hmm...

and please provide the links were the experts are talking  about  dig.Signatures  as well are they completely safe? That was the main point … not the “mathematically impossible” incorrect statement that  many do not ever understand
 
The special PC  I've mentioned is running :
Multi- boot  (all cracked) XP, Vista,Win 7 x64, MS Office; Nero (the latest),  Sony Suite;   Cubase H2O  -  cracked dongle - protected!!!!  made brilliantly (!!!!!!! seven exclamation marks),  Adobe CS 3 /4 /5 (!!!) … do you  need more ?

Many security just gather those from P2P and flagging.

Sitting here working with all of those... enjoying  &  laughing   (:TNG)

Not all security do that -
but Comodo is the most of the notorious in this area  - wrong & crap no matter whether it's “Black or White” list – “disguising disgrace” no other word I can find,... well  My English as usual is not perfect, but I hope  some users will get it

Do not try that at home folks - you digitally signed ... but "compromised" MS (whatever)  will work ... but ... my point was different
I hope you got that

Grrrr!  Goose  bumps I'm having now

Cheers!

Mathematically I am serious.. there is no easy way to come up with what made the keys for a public key pair. it requires brute force to crack the algorithm and if you use a large size key like 2048bit key, then you are safe till about 2030 as there won't be enough computing power to crack it etc etc.


dunno why say black/whitelist is crap...? Crap for what?

The issue you discussed before: If our way of checking a file based on digital signature could be comprimised.

So in order to stick to the discussion point: digital signatures cannot be broken now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size

Your issue of "what is signed" with those signatures is a different issue.

At the end of the day its all about mainly a human judgement as to what gets digitally signed as good or bad etc etc.

cheers

Melih

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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2010, 01:05:35 PM »
Mathematically I am serious.. there is no easy way to come up with what made the keys for a public key pair. it requires brute force to crack the algorithm and if you use a large size key like 2048bit key, then you are safe till about 2030 as there won't be enough computing power to crack it etc etc.


dunno why say black/whitelist is crap...? Crap for what?

The issue you discussed before: If our way of checking a file based on digital signature could be comprimised.

So in order to stick to the discussion point: digital signatures cannot be broken now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size

Your issue of "what is signed" with those signatures is a different issue.

At the end of the day its all about mainly a human judgement as to what gets digitally signed as good or bad etc etc.

cheers

Melih
I dont know about all of this I just am eyeing up that comodo mug....


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Re: Why CIS Premium is Superior..
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2010, 03:45:24 PM »
Not on YouTube…?
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