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Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« on: February 05, 2008, 07:11:05 PM »
I read in pc magazines that Microsoft will protects against buffer overflow after SP1 for Vista and SP3 for XP.

So, will we need CMF after this service packs?

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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 07:37:23 PM »
I read in pc magazines that Microsoft will protects against buffer overflow after SP1 for Vista and SP3 for XP.

So, will we need CMF after this service packs?

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Does Windows Firewall protect U ?  (:WIN) So I think the answer is clear. Yes. I will sure keep it.  :SMLR
« Last Edit: February 06, 2008, 01:55:25 PM by Commodus »

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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2008, 10:52:29 AM »
Does Windows Firewall protect U ?  (:WIN) So I think the answer is clear. Yes. I will sure keep it.  :SMLR

I have a feeling your answer is an amateour's one. Vista is able to stealth all the ports, unlike some of the other third-party firewalls so it is actually good. I suppose it does not pass some of the leaks, but so does not many others. I think vista is a good firewall, but there are stronger firewalls on the market like comodo, zonealarm, outpost, jetico, and others, so it is not fair to say it does not protects you from BO, just like that in a snap, especially if pcmag says contrary. Sorry for being harsh, but so were you. We need to take in consideration that NSA worked along with microsoft to fortify their security so I would say it is pretty strong.

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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2008, 04:53:54 PM »
I have a feeling your answer is an amateour's one. Vista is able to stealth all the ports, unlike some of the other third-party firewalls so it is actually good. I suppose it does not pass some of the leaks, but so does not many others. I think vista is a good firewall, but there are stronger firewalls on the market like comodo, zonealarm, outpost, jetico, and others, so it is not fair to say it does not protects you from BO, just like that in a snap, especially if pcmag says contrary. Sorry for being harsh, but so were you. We need to take in consideration that NSA worked along with microsoft to fortify their security so I would say it is pretty strong.

So how come Windows Firewall always score 0 points ? And yes - I am an armateur, but not a noob (at least not in Windows)  :D Maybe you can tweak Windows firewall to be much more powerfull, but I wouldn't bother.

And again - Vista SP1 does not protect you from buffer overflows as good as CMF. Fullstop. Period.  ;D

P.S. NSA could do a lot better then  ;D
P.S.P.S I'm don't want to be harsh, and I'm not trying to be. My answers can be a little stupid and not fluent, because of my poor English. So guys if offended someone - I'm really sorry.  :-[ Forgive me and point out my mistakes please  :a0
« Last Edit: March 09, 2008, 04:59:18 PM by Commodus »

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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 04:56:57 PM »
So how come Windows Firewall always score 0 points ?

Because leaktests only test outbound protection.

And again - Vista SP1 does not protect you from buffer overflows as good as CMF. Fullstop. Period.  ;D

CMF protects against  buffer overflows in the STACK and HEAP memory, and also against ret2libc attacks and corrupted SEH Chains. Will Vista SP1 and XP SP3 protect against these kind of attacks?

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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 05:00:52 PM »
Because leaktests only test outbound protection.

CMF protects against  buffer overflows in the STACK and HEAP memory, and also against ret2libc attacks and corrupted SEH Chains. Will Vista SP1 and XP SP3 protect against these kind of attacks?

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That's what I'm trying to say. A firewall without an outbound protection is useless (to me)  :)

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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 04:56:13 AM »

That's what I'm trying to say. A firewall without an outbound protection is useless (to me)  :)
Hi Commodus
Vista firewall is only inbound just by default, but you can change that in advanced options, and than it analyzes also outbound traffic. By the way, you did not offend me, but it is good to hear your did not want to. Often we do not understand each other and so it easily comes to offending someone unintentially.
I really do not know if vista sp1 will protect agains  buffer overflow anyway. I suppose when it comes out publicaly, we shall read about that topic in some forums or magazines, but till than I will be using CMF onward.
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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 05:30:18 AM »
Hi Commodus
Vista firewall is only inbound just by default, but you can change that in advanced options, and than it analyzes also outbound traffic. By the way, you did not offend me, but it is good to hear your did not want to. Often we do not understand each other and so it easily comes to offending someone unintentially.
I really do not know if vista sp1 will protect agains  buffer overflow anyway. I suppose when it comes out publicaly, we shall read about that topic in some forums or magazines, but till than I will be using CMF onward.
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Didn't knew the outbound thing (so thanks for that) in Windows Firewall, but again I won't try it anyway, cos Comodo is much more superior  :)

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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2008, 05:31:03 AM »
From what I can find out, Vista SP1 and XP SP3 are targetting BO vulnerabilities in specific system libraries, rather than monitoring and protecting invalid buffer executions system wide. If this is correct, the CMF would still be desirable (preferable).

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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 07:23:45 AM »
From what I can find out, Vista SP1 and XP SP3 are targetting BO vulnerabilities in specific system libraries, rather than monitoring and protecting invalid buffer executions system wide
This explains some things... Glad to find out more on this question.
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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2008, 11:41:48 AM »
Glad to hear we're in peace  O0 (Bob Marley)  :D

Didn't knew the outbound thing (so thanks for that) in Windows Firewall, but again I won't try it anyway, cos Comodo is much more superior  :)
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Re: Is CMF necessary after VISTA SP1 and XP SP3
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2008, 05:22:02 AM »
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