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Offline mobybit

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Silverlight, argh ...
« on: June 24, 2013, 01:32:39 AM »
Started evaluating CESM 3.0 and discovered that the web admin console requires Microsoft Silverlight.
My problem is that I'm in a mixed technology environment and Silverlight isn't supported (well or at all) on Linux and Apple Mac ... there are even issues with Silverlight on some Microsoft OS platforms (Win 8 ).

So, on reading a bit more about various Comodo products I see that Comodo is proudly touting Silverlight use (dependency) in several products besides CESM.

What's the fascination with Silverlight ?
Why can't you just use HTML5 ?

Comodo has some attractive technology that I could use, but this Silverlight dependency is problematic.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2013, 10:01:11 AM by mobybit »

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2013, 11:37:45 AM »
Hi,

1)  there are even issues with Silverlight on some Microsoft OS platforms (Win 8 ). - Agreed
2)  What's the fascination with Silverlight? - none, it looked good (so did Vista, right?)
3)  Why can't you just use HTML5? - ESM will be by the end of the year but for now it is Silverlight, sorry...

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 06:02:51 AM »
Besides, it's doest working with chrome when you are using kiosk.

And it's doesn't work in chrome whenever using it within Mac OS either.

And doesn't work with Android browser either.


Waiting this end of the year release. ;D
« Last Edit: June 30, 2013, 06:13:13 AM by w-e-v »

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2015, 11:32:05 AM »
Well I think somebody dropped the ball on this one. "End of year" was 17 months ago and still Silverlight is required for the CESM admin console.

How about a Windows Universal app so I can manage from desktop, tablet, phone, xbox and hololens?

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2015, 09:56:24 AM »
Well I think somebody dropped the ball on this one. "End of year" was 17 months ago and still Silverlight is required for the CESM admin console.

How about a Windows Universal app so I can manage from desktop, tablet, phone, xbox and hololens?

Windows Universal app??! Yuck!

HTML5 is the solution for everybody, not only for Windows users (which are less everyday).  :azn:

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2015, 01:29:51 PM »
lol, no point in starting a religious flame war over it.

I would like to see HTML5 of course, if something works in a standard web browser there's really no need for any kind of app.

I simply threw in the Windows app idea because I know there's an already existing Windows Phone app for a prior version of ESM, hasn't been updated in forever.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2015, 01:33:50 PM by PepperdotNet »

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2015, 01:32:03 PM »
have you guys seen mdm.comodo.com ?

This is the cloud based Device Manager which is going to have full functionality of ESM very soon.

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2015, 10:40:43 PM »
Not yet, but will give it a try. its worthy.

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2015, 09:08:32 AM »
I've been able to run ESM Console on Ubuntu in Firefox, with the help of Pipelight package (Wine environment suited to run Flash/Unity3D/Silverlight plugins). Works pretty well, the only issue was to install self-signed cert properly, but this is required on Windows also. One guy told me ESM Console works on Mac pretty well too, as soon as you install certificate properly. I can write a how-to if anybody is interested.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2015, 09:16:43 AM by denis.gz »

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2015, 02:30:11 PM »
Sooo, now that chrome kicked out NPAPI, and that Edge won't run them either, can we get a non-silverlight interface?

Because that'd be great.

And i'd love you guys very much...

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2015, 08:57:41 PM »
Sooo, now that chrome kicked out NPAPI, and that Edge won't run them either, can we get a non-silverlight interface?

Because that'd be great.

And i'd love you guys very much...

+1  :-TU

Where is our HTML5 version? :)

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2015, 07:32:06 PM »
I literally just purchased ESM for 2 years for 100 endpoints, to then have the chrome 45 update come and rain on my parade. Annoyance to both my users and my ability to manage this thing conveniently. This software just went from really nice to "one of those guys" that insists on using IE for everything  >:(

How is it that HTML5 was in the works in 2013 for release "by the end of the year" and we're still trying to grasp at workarounds for silverlight today?

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2015, 10:53:44 PM »
Hi [at]Momarberto,

First of all, thank you for the comment and feedback. We love our members who devoted their time to improve us and our products.

Your request has been captured and well understood. However, the request for dropping Silverlight doesn't seem feasible at this time. Let me give you a little bit inside about how we see it.

What are the problems:
  • We know that Silverlight is not coming with default browser installations and require an extra mile to install on top of browsers.
  • Chrome doesn't support Silverlight
  • Edge doesn't have Silverlight support
  • We mentioned to have it on the roadmap for a while ago

Are they really problems?
  • While it would have been better to have all products running on all native browsers without any dependency, it is not reality for ESM right now. It would have been very high priority and already implemented if this dependency was on a consumer product or on the shoulder of all end users, but it is not. Only admin needs to go through this extra mile and we trust on you guys, admins, to go over it for the greater good (Best protection over your endpoints). 
  • We also like Chrome! We like Chromodo or IceDragon more but it might be a taste issue ;) however, as users, we are using a lot of specific apps to do specific tasks. Again, it is you, admin needs to use another browser (Firefox, IE, IceDragon, Dragon, Etc.. -https://www.comodo.com/home/browsers-toolbars/browser.php) to check on ESM portal once a while or when needed. The point is, there are easy alternatives to do the job.
  • Yes, Edge is a new project that is under development and progress. They didn't place all extensions yet but they are checking the market needs and shaping their product. We don't know what the future will bring to that product.
  • Yes, we would like to move away from Silverlight and migrate to a more fancy technology like HTML5. However, whenever we came to the decision point, we checked the roadmap items / customer request and compared the value in between. Is it really going to add a big value to the endpoint protection (core of the product and why we are discussing all of these topics) or do we have some other items with the same or less effort that our community would benefit more. So far, due to the alternatives and above reasons, we came up with more beneficial improvements and spent the resources for those. That is why you didn't see it implemented yet.

Bonus item: In addition to the browser alternatives, if you wish to have the same level end-point protection over cloud server and with MDM capabilities, you can and should try our Comodo Device Management solution (https://dm.comodo.com/). It might not have every report or configuration item that you get used to from ESM but it has an amazing interface, functionality and no dependency to a browser (for especially the browser fans :) )

Best regards,
Ilker

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Re: Silverlight, argh ...
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2016, 09:41:34 PM »
I just use Internet Explorer and have added the url for ESM Console to my Favourites.
It's the only think I use IE for TBH.
Everything else I do with Chromodo.

 

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