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Re: Windows Vista?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2006, 02:57:06 PM »
Would it be wise for anyone to create an application that works with Vista when in truth the whole concept could be scrapped or changed drastically leaving others who built programs to work on Vista to stew in their "oh great, now we have to rebuild the whole program" juices.

Depends if you want to own the market or just be a late contender.

Vista will happen.  Yes, it's a beta.  A very widespread beta.  I expect I'll have to support it at some point, so I'm learning idiosyncrasies now while there is no pressure.  I don't like showing up for a client without some background.  The Microsoft juggernaught will march on regardless and people will buy it one way or another.  Personally, except for my Vista PC, I still run W2K.  The OS is just a tool and until I cannot conduct my business, I'll not likely upgrade unless it's tied to a new PC purchase.

As for Comodo's want or need to develop a product...  That's up to them.  They make no money from it either way.
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Re: Windows Vista? [RESOLVED]
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2006, 03:29:16 PM »
  This is exactly why I said this was my opinion. I was simply saying it may not be in their best intrest while so many other developments when Vista is not a steady version right now. Also, I don't for the life of me understand why when this is a forum for opinions etc...people must make statements like yours....
 <<As for Comodo's want or need to develop a product...  That's up to them.  They make no money from it either way.>>
   These are holier than thou statements that are meant to show your gratitude for comodo while making other statements seem low or bossy, playing the hero if you will ,but you have the right to do so  and in fact leads me to the next....

 I did not say they wouldn't , shouldn't , couldn't , bettter not, I told them to, etc...I am not that small as to think I would tell anyone , let alone any company what to do. I feel that is more your opinion, which you are entitled to. I stated why I may not find it in their best interest if people are wondering WHY they haven't. I wasn't saying they won't or otherwise. If you in fact read up, many program developers are on hold until they see a final version with good reason. While as you say, they make no money either way, is even more reason to maybe NOT want to spend the time and effort until a final version. So thank you for that point.  So that said, if in any way you feel I was telling Comodo what to do, you are incorrect. I was merely giving a perspective on an incomplete BETA that so many think there should be support for, when in truth , even MS won't have support for it. You can send errors etc...but that is all. Why? Because it's BETA.  Also do you know how many who downloaded BETA  actually believe they have a free OS and don't have to pay for it later?  Many people don't read the fine print. Myself and others have told them , yes, you will have to pay for the final version, and they indeed get upset. So it was wide spread but many had concerns about this.
  So in closing, I am not upset with your post, just trying to iron out a few wrinkles on what you thought I meant. Take care.


  Paul

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Re: Windows Vista? [RESOLVED]
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2006, 06:41:19 PM »
These are holier than thou statements that are meant to show your gratitude for comodo while making other statements seem low or bossy, playing the hero if you will ,but you have the right to do so  and in fact leads me to the next....

Hmm... too much caffeine?

I do not advise Comodo in any way shape or form.  I'm just a Trustix user.

My comment was a mere shoulder shrug.  Melih and Comodo are already working on Vista compatibility and have posted in other threads that they anticipate a release in Jan, 2007.  Comodo does not need me to be their hero.  I'm too fickle anyway.  I'll use them until I find something better and then I'll evangelize the new solution.

As for "holier than thou statements", I'm not sure where those occurred, but I do know I only read what you wrote without trying to interpret; interpretation is too much work.  If you interpreted a condescending tone in my post, then you misunderstood.  I don't treat people that way.  Email and forums remove personality from conversation and hide meaning.  It would make a world of difference if you were in front of me to debate the merits of Vista.

I see Vista as I've seen every other product to come out of Redmond.  People will call me because it doesn't work as they think it should and this will be no exception.  Working in Vista at this stage is tedious and often frustrating.  It's counter-intuitive.   If I didn't feel a need to fully evaluate it before my clients receive it with their shiney new Dell, I would happily ignore it.

We don't even have a disagreement over the viability of Vista as a product.  In countering your opinion, I do not discount it; I just don't agree with all your points.  I feel Microsoft has too much invested to just pull it from production at this point and in one form or another, it will ship if for no other reason than placating the shareholders.  I could be wrong.  I've been wrong before, but the Sun still came out the following morning and the birds were singing.  If I'm wrong this time, I doubt that my world will be any worse for wear.
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Re: Windows Vista? [RESOLVED]
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2006, 07:25:04 PM »
Hmm... too much caffeine?

I do not advise Comodo in any way shape or form.  I'm just a Trustix user.

My comment was a mere shoulder shrug.  Melih and Comodo are already working on Vista compatibility and have posted in other threads that they anticipate a release in Jan, 2007.  Comodo does not need me to be their hero.  I'm too fickle anyway.  I'll use them until I find something better and then I'll evangelize the new solution.

As for "holier than thou statements", I'm not sure where those occurred, but I do know I only read what you wrote without trying to interpret; interpretation is too much work.  If you interpreted a condescending tone in my post, then you misunderstood.  I don't treat people that way.  Email and forums remove personality from conversation and hide meaning.  It would make a world of difference if you were in front of me to debate the merits of Vista.

I see Vista as I've seen every other product to come out of Redmond.  People will call me because it doesn't work as they think it should and this will be no exception.  Working in Vista at this stage is tedious and often frustrating.  It's counter-intuitive.   If I didn't feel a need to fully evaluate it before my clients receive it with their shiney new Dell, I would happily ignore it.

We don't even have a disagreement over the viability of Vista as a product.  In countering your opinion, I do not discount it; I just don't agree with all your points.  I feel Microsoft has too much invested to just pull it from production at this point and in one form or another, it will ship if for no other reason than placating the shareholders.  I could be wrong.  I've been wrong before, but the Sun still came out the following morning and the birds were singing.  If I'm wrong this time, I doubt that my world will be any worse for wear.

 I do agree with what you say. And yes the sun will come up tomorrow. If I misinterpeted your statement, then I am big enough to apologize. As you said, meaning and tone are a hard accomplishment in forums and email. I wasn't mad and tried to apply that but if in fact I misunderstood your last statement, then once again the fault is mine.  I do feel vista is going to be a major headache and I was one who happened to get a beta and simply, I think it's going to be trouble.  MS probably won't stop the realease now that the investment is made and agree on that also. I just hope it doesn't come down to Vista sp1 , 2 etc...like XP. What I meant by holier than thou statments is much applied to those who as in other forums, make a statement like your last but intended to make themselves look good like some white horse riding saint, but as I stated, above and apologized for. I am typing with my fingers taped together since I broke my finger today so my response may be late, ironically it's my middle one which I have in fact been having some fun with others today while driving. I don't need any effort to show those who cut me off what I think of them,lol.  Any way, hope this is resolved, sorry about the misunderstanding ,

 Take care,
 Paul

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Re: Windows Vista? [RESOLVED]
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2006, 07:43:47 PM »
You broke your finger driving???!!!

Obviously you're too polite and the intermittent use has caught up with you. My wife, for example, has never broken her tongue!

Must be the training regime.  :D
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Re: Windows Vista? [RESOLVED]
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2006, 08:54:36 PM »
You broke your finger driving???!!!

Obviously you're too polite and the intermittent use has caught up with you. My wife, for example, has never broken her tongue!

Must be the training regime.  :D


 Lol, no, my back went out and I was in a lot of pain and a fly kept buzzing around my head like it knew I couldn't get it so I got mad and took a swat anyway and in my blind rage against this creature I missed and swatted my dining room table only to hear a crunch and watched as my finger finally went back together, loll.  So I was just going about my daily routine , working on the mower etc...and it kept getting worse and my wife , yes her again, lol, told me to get to the hospital and have it checked now that it was bigger than my big toe. So after a long battle with her about 10 seconds or so, I went in on my own accord, cough** and found it was broken and possibly ripped off a ligamen.   So being a weekend , all they could do was splint it up until the radiologist can read the x-ray. At least these drivers can see it very well now,lol.  ;)


  Paul

 

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