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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2008, 04:51:32 AM »
I'd also like to see TC as an optional component.

One thing I could suggest would be to not display TC stats until the stats for a particular app had reached a certain level.

For example, if I'm the first person to get a zero day malware and I accidentally allow it, others would then get a postive response from TC that may lead them to also accept it. This could then escalate ad infinitum. If, however, there had to be X number of responses recevied by the TC servers before it displayed stats (in this case the Security Considerations tab would be bought to the front), users would not get a TC response and would need to rely on the Security Considerations info, which would hopefully indicate it was malware.

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2008, 06:09:07 AM »
  Well, I think this has potential, but I do agree with Ewen.


I'd also like to see TC as an optional component.

One thing I could suggest would be to not display TC stats until the stats for a particular app had reached a certain level.

For example, if I'm the first person to get a zero day malware and I accidentally allow it, others would then get a postive response from TC that may lead them to also accept it. This could then escalate ad infinitum. If, however, there had to be X number of responses recevied by the TC servers before it displayed stats (in this case the Security Considerations tab would be bought to the front), users would not get a TC response and would need to rely on the Security Considerations info, which would hopefully indicate it was malware.

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2008, 07:28:44 AM »
I'd also like to see TC as an optional component.

One thing I could suggest would be to not display TC stats until the stats for a particular app had reached a certain level.

For example, if I'm the first person to get a zero day malware and I accidentally allow it, others would then get a postive response from TC that may lead them to also accept it. This could then escalate ad infinitum. If, however, there had to be X number of responses recevied by the TC servers before it displayed stats (in this case the Security Considerations tab would be bought to the front), users would not get a TC response and would need to rely on the Security Considerations info, which would hopefully indicate it was malware.

What think?
Ewen :-)

I think that is a good idea especially when you get alerts like this one I though if you want to run Msconfig you have to allow it access to the service control manager or maybe not.
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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2008, 09:05:42 AM »
You can stratify the response of the threadcast i.e. based on their competency.  In this example you can define several group during the threadcast registration.  When they register  they may put their status as example group 1 are expert user, group 2 are programmers, group 3 are common users etc.   You can define that group to the most suitable group from Comodo perspective.  Then we can see the statistic, don't forget to put the overall group result.

Good luck!  Keep the good work!


Very much so: different kind of user (Expert user etc) is already in the plan..

keep the ideas coming pls..
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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2008, 09:22:15 AM »
A "send or not to send option"  i think this is something that needs to be added.If you block something deliberately even though you know its a safe application,could be miscontrued.
A tick box asking if you would like this answer to be considered.

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2008, 09:24:09 AM »
A "send or not to send option"  i think this is something that needs to be added.If you block something deliberately even though you know its a safe application,could be miscontrued.
A tick box asking if you would like this answer to be considered.

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noted. we have a solution that will address this in the upcoming versions.

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2008, 11:30:21 AM »
Other thoughts.  As always a community driven security program, has its faults.  For example, if a series of people just hit 'allow' 'allow' for everything, even if the files aren't safe, how do you suppose you can secure other people?

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2008, 12:09:47 PM »
Other thoughts.  As always a community driven security program, has its faults.  For example, if a series of people just hit 'allow' 'allow' for everything, even if the files aren't safe, how do you suppose you can secure other people?

Is this community protection based on majority, or COMODO certified definitions?

We will add a layer protection so that community decisions are good.

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2008, 04:03:07 PM »
Adding human expert analysis is fine, but the database would contain millions of programs. How many employees does Comodo have? That can be only part of the solution. I wish that only knowledgeable experts from the Comodo community had been invited to participate in the beta, which would've provided a solid foundation for ThreatCast. Maybe the DB could be reset, and future betas could be for invited experts only?

What I really hope Melih has in mind, though, is to implement Prevx-like features. Comodo should study Prevx closely, it's pretty amazing.

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2008, 04:11:32 PM »
However, it is an EXCELLENT idea that the Comodo experts monitor responses.  You guys are very likely to spot the errors that users might make when things are not so obvious.
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Why do i need TC..

I certainly want the option not to install it. That's one more option..

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2008, 04:34:18 PM »
Adding human expert analysis is fine, but the database would contain millions of programs. How many employees does Comodo have? That can be only part of the solution. I wish that only knowledgeable experts from the Comodo community had been invited to participate in the beta, which would've provided a solid foundation for ThreatCast. Maybe the DB could be reset, and future betas could be for invited experts only?

What I really hope Melih has in mind, though, is to implement Prevx-like features. Comodo should study Prevx closely, it's pretty amazing.

give us some time and watch we do...

What we will do is way beyond anything else ;)
TC currently is the most basic form to start with. I don't want to reveal too much at this stage but I like whats coming down the line...

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2008, 08:25:48 PM »
give us some time and watch we do...

What we will do is way beyond anything else ;)
TC currently is the most basic form to start with. I don't want to reveal too much at this stage but I like whats coming down the line...

Wow, I can't wait. This could shape up to be the ultimate free security app. (I know, some will say it is already.)

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2008, 11:58:38 PM »
Melih,
Is this planed to stay a free option or is this yet to be decided

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2008, 08:15:51 AM »
Melih,
Is this planed to stay a free option or is this yet to be decided

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so far... free...

the way that we decide what should be free and what we shoudl charge for is by simply seeing if its a

service
or a
product

eg: we don't mind doing software dev for free
but running a service where we need to setup teams of people to look after the service etc etc we need to cover the costs for (even though some services we still run for free like whitelisting and av labs creating sigs for AV)..

bottom line is: we want it as much free stuff as possible within limits..

Melih

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Re: Threatcast - Option or Permanent Addition to Comodo Firewall
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2008, 09:44:06 AM »
so far... free...

the way that we decide what should be free and what we shoudl charge for is by simply seeing if its a

service
or a
product

eg: we don't mind doing software dev for free
but running a service where we need to setup teams of people to look after the service etc etc we need to cover the costs for (even though some services we still run for free like whitelisting and av labs creating sigs for AV)..

bottom line is: we want it as much free stuff as possible within limits..

Melih
I presume this will be decided on how much the users input towards Threatcast, and how much Comodo has to input for it to run well.
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