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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2010, 11:09:55 PM »

They are not that good, and thiir signatures are even worse. They jsut keep adding more and more crap to KIS without making it anymore secure.

But you see how it is, if I right clicked and ran in sandbox everything for comodo he would lady* about that. He would say it should do it automatically, well it does and his favorite software failed. I also did a test for me against NIS and CIS and I got a trojan to bypass, a rogue , rootkit change the registy, and others all while NIS was protecting the system. Nothing got past CIS. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2010, 11:35:09 PM »

I made a post on the Remove-Malware forums saying this:

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Are you thick? Do you think malware just sits in memory and does nothing? KIS couldn't prevent the infection. That's it. You can't say KIS is great because it can clean the computer AFTER. It couldn't prevent the infection, so it failed. Simple as that.

Using KIS's Safe Run feature? That's not the point of the tests. That's not the point of any of these sorts of tests, even Matt's. Malware is run directly. A good suite should protect you from that, not rely on you to manually run all executables in a complete virtualized sandbox. CIS can do that, but it obviously doesn't need to.

By the tests, CIS did "win". It prevented all the infections.

Dieselman deleted my post, then sent me a PM saying I should "watch my mouth", and that there' "no reason to tell people they are retarded."
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2010, 11:37:31 PM »

Of course he did, but he can't do crap about it on youtube, he can't ban me or anything. I can't believe matt even lets him be part of the forum, I would have removed him so fast if it was my forum.
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2010, 11:39:57 PM »

So, I reposted it and changed "thick" to "derp-de-derp", but then he modified my post and removed that line completely.

Somebody's butthurt.
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2010, 11:50:28 PM »

Thank you Languy99, people do appreciate these reviews very much. These are real world experiences of a user testing security products, so very relevant.

I wish more people tested products rather than simply follow others who spread misinformation.

thank you again for your time!

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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2010, 12:04:43 AM »

I also appreciate the videos expecialy when you compare products!! You just showed everyone that a free product is better than a well known paid product. Comodo really is an impressive software and i have been a HUGE fan since 4.0 came out.

When modified KIS can be perfect too, but as an average user who just wants defaults, comodo is the best.

Also, going back to dieselman, safe run is only meant for 32 bit machines not 64, comodo is made for both, so using safe run is bias..
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2010, 12:24:01 AM »

Some people really take their AV programs serious! lol

Languy - I would love to see NIS vs CIS if you get a chance, but I know you have a long list of requests.  I know it my everyday testing NIS is quieter than CIS, but not sure how it fares in terms of protection.
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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2010, 06:43:33 AM »

This is a fair test.
Everything is at it's stock, nothing changed...
I like this a lot.
For that rm mod dieselman saying it's not fair and that kis should sandboxed IE, it is then modified setting and does not represent factory defaults. Comodo wins.
And for his complaining about the pop-ups, some are informative with just ok button like file is sandboxed, while D+ is easy to understand, key words are in bold, so that people know that unknown process wnats to have unlimited access and if you don't know is the file is good or not, d+ says you should sandbox it.

I anticipate same results with Norton, maybe norton will detect and block more, but something might pass thru. We will see...
Thanks languy99 for the test! Thumb Up
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2010, 07:13:48 AM »

I won't enter in this debate, as i don't think that videos is the proper way to write any objective discussion: i did not see these videos, and i won't.

I only saw the appended comments, insulting from both sides, and it is not anymore a way to make a fair debate.

The conclusion, as far as i am concerned, is that a comparison and/or debate in the way it is made cannot have in these conditions any legit pro or con value.
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2010, 07:25:37 AM »

I won't enter in this debate, as i don't think that videos is the proper way to write any objective discussion: i did not see these videos, and i won't.

I only saw the appended comments, insulting from both sides, and it is not anymore a way to make a fair debate.

The conclusion, as far as i am concerned, is that a comparison and/or debate in the way it is made cannot have in these conditions any legit pro or con value.

this is a very simple test but a very real world version of a user's experience..
he installs security applications...
he goes to malicious websites..
and he records what happens....

its simple....nothing to it.....and the reason why people argue against it is because these very simple tests show the reality that some people don't want to see or accept...

Its soooo simple, you can do it yourself......thats another beauty of these tests....go ahead and do it yourself if you don't agree with it and share your results.....we look forward to it......imagine if everyone that, then everyone would be educated enough to make their own decision Wink

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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2010, 07:28:55 AM »

Sooner or later, people will have to be educated about malware.....
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2010, 09:26:17 AM »

Awsome review! Just proves how much CIS protects you Cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2010, 09:27:34 AM »

Hello Languy99. I'm am one your fans. Wink Well, nice video as always. :-)
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« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2010, 10:22:38 AM »

Great video!
Love Comodo!
Hate to pay money for rubbish!

Feel myself very pleased to have such a powerful protection, like CIS Premium 4.1 for free Smiley

Thank you, Comodo Team! I'm your big fan!
I'm trying to popularize your product where I can Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2010, 11:39:16 AM »

Hope you are not Comodo employe and did this "research" on your own.
What we have seen? Some files were tested which weren't detected by KIS and detected by CIS. How that urls were found? Maybe this list was taken from Comodo or CIS users, no wonder Comodo detects these files. There tons of new malware appear each day, no antivirus can detect every sample. When KIS were blamed because it leaves some virus' records in registry - that was realy dumb.
Yes, these videos proove that kaspersky isn't perfect, but do they proove CIS any better? No. To actualy show that CIS has a good antivirus Comodo should permit wide independed testing.
For example contact with av-comparatives.
See http://www.av-comparatives.org
Until Comodo team hides their product from testing there alway will be suspicions.
PS: excuse my bad english.

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