Author Topic: What's the difference in security between iron browser and comodo dragon  (Read 9460 times)

Offline trscsaeg

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Here's what comodo says about dragon:

"Has privacy enhancements that surpass those in Chromium's technology
 Has Domain Validation technology that identifies and segregates superior SSL certificates from inferior ones
 Stops cookies and other Web spies
 Prevents all Browser download tracking to ensure your privacy"

That's kinda vague. what are those privacy enhancements

Here's what SRware says:

"What makes it different from Iron Chrome?


Privacy:

Comparison of Chrome and Iron in data protection:


Client ID


Chrome generated depending on the version / branding an ID through which a user or user group can be identified theoretically. In more recent versions to the user numbers are determined by a previously unknown process, branding versions continue to have an ID.


not exist in Iron


Time Stamp


Chrome remembers exactly depending on the version up to the second, when the software was installed. In more recent versions to the user numbers are determined by a previously unknown method.


not exist in Iron


Suggest


Depending on the configuration, each time you put something in the address bar, transmit this information to Google to display search suggestions.


not exist in Iron


Alternate Error Pages


Depending on the configuration, if you type an incorrect address in the browser is sent to Google and you get an error message from Google's servers.


not exist in Iron


Error Reporting


Depending on the configuration crashes or error information transmitted to the Google servers.


not exist in Iron


RLZ Tracking


This Chrome-function transmits information in encoded form to Google, for example, when and where Chrome was downloaded.


not exist in Iron


Google Updater


Chrome installs an updater, which is loaded every time Windows starts in the background.


not exist in Iron


URL Tracker


Calls depending on the configuration five seconds after launch the Google homepage in background

not exist in Iron


Reverse Engineering


The Google TOS does not allow a Reverse Eng. / decompilation of the finished product.


at Iron allows unlimited

Other key differences:

 


Adblocker


Chrome does not contain AdBlocker


In Iron integrated by nature a adblocker that can be easily configured using a file


User-Agent

The user agent is in Chrome or less fixed and can only change by linking with a startup parameter. In a normal start following this change will not be provided.

The user agent in Iron can be easily and permanently controlled by the file UA.ini"

not vague, kinda confusing in some parts but at least they tell what the difference is between them and chrome in greater detail than comodo.

Now the big questions:

1. does comodo dragon do any of what iron does and if so what does it do that iron does?

2. does comodo do any of the things google chrome does that iron addresses from irons website such as the ID thing or anything else?

3. if it does do anything that google chrome does that iron addressed, why does it do it?

4. does comodo dragon do anything unique to dragon that both chrome and iron don't do to better secure th user and their privacy?

i want to use comodo dragon as my default but i'm not going to use as my default  until i get answers to these questions. users deserve to know about what they're using

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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2011, 07:53:58 PM »
Here's some information from one of the earliest Alphas:
http://forums.comodo.com/beta-corner-cd/comodo-dragon-alpha-ver-09016-is-now-available-for-download-t47764.0.html

I'm sure more has been changed, but it's a start. ;)

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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 08:29:48 PM »
A little update, you forgot to mention that on their Version 9, Iron removed Instant for security reasons.

Also, I think that arguing with Chrome's latest and things working with Chrome not Dragon really defeats the purpose of using Dragon, or even Iron.(I can be wrong because if it works on Chrome it should be able to work Dragon. We all have our point of views.) If you use Chrome, then just use it.

Just for the sidebar I use CP, but they have a stand on the same issues that Iron does(actually, almost does).
« Last Edit: February 14, 2011, 08:56:53 PM by megamanx »

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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 09:22:38 PM »
Here's some information from one of the earliest Alphas:
http://forums.Comodo.com/beta-corner-cd/Comodo-dragon-alpha-ver-09016-is-now-available-for-download-t47764.0.html

I'm sure more has been changed, but it's a start. ;)

thanks a lot man that really cleared some things up.

A little update, you forgot to mention that on their Version 9, Iron removed Instant for security reasons.


I only got what they had posted on their site in the comparisons table . i didn't go through any forums or release notes but thanks for the info, it's good to know


Also, I think that arguing with Chrome's latest and things working with Chrome not Dragon really defeats the purpose of using Dragon, or even Iron.(I can be wrong because if it works on Chrome it should be able to work Dragon. We all have our point of views.)


i don't understand what you're trying to say here. the wording is weird, can you explain in different words


If you use Chrome, then just use it.


i use firefox as my default but would like to use a chrome based browser but am dissatisfied with all of them in some area or another. i'm waiting for Comodo Dragon to become more solid. i'm also waiting for firefox 4 to release the final version. i really hope they ditch panorama for tab management and use tab stacking like opera 11. if they keep panorama i hope it becomes used more like a graphical session manager rather than a way to manage tabs at any given moment.

Also i really hope tab stacking becomes a part of comodo dragon

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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 09:30:47 PM »
ChromePlus is my Primary browser.
Iron, IE, and Dragon are my Secondary browsers.

I was agreeing with you on everything.
My rant was against those that keep complaining that Chrome is on the latest version and Dragon/Iron should be too. That's their point of view, and they don't know what these guys are doing, let's not forget that they are risking privacy using Chrome just because they then end up telling Dragon/Iron developers that things that don't work here work on Chrome. These guys comparing Chrome should just stay with Chrome.

I am also against the idea of making a browser be like another one.(I can be wrong since I use CP for the bookmark sidebar, just their sidebar blend with NeatBookmarks.) I've never seen that Tab Stacking and I don't have a need for it, so far. It sounds intriguing, though.

I have been testing Firefox up to 4.0.12 Minefield, under the Nightly builds, and it's been a disappointment to me.

Iron = Privacy (I wouldn't call the adblock.ini something worth praising) with not much enhancements.
Dragon = Privacy with enhancements
« Last Edit: February 14, 2011, 09:37:37 PM by megamanx »

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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 02:47:51 PM »

I've never seen that Tab Stacking and I don't have a need for it, so far. It sounds intriguing, though.


the use case for tab stacking is for tabaholics to help keep related pages together. you can also stack app tabs. this would be extremely useful for the user is a big social network person using facebook,myspace, twitter etc. they could make all those tabs app tabs and then stack them. that way all their social networks would be in one stack and because they're app tabs they'll survive even after the user restarts the browser. at least they do in opera. i don't know about chrome based browsers.

if you're not a social network person but do a lot of research like me then tab stacking becomes very useful for keeping all the different subjects you are researching together instead of all over the place. it also helps keep down on how much of the tab bar is being used. you can also expand and collapse a stack instead of having to restack it

here's a direct link to the spot in the video where this feature is shown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hqSGGk1YTI#t=0m49s 

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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2011, 08:05:38 PM »
Yes I wish more information about the subject...
About the little I know I think the main difference between Iron and Dragon is how Dragon
is handling cookies...but I am not really sure..maybe there is a good reason to keep all this secret...
But I am still interested to know if it is meaningful to use Dragon at all...since Iron is V9 it is tempting to move over..and it seem that V9 is more faster and snappy.

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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2011, 11:44:35 PM »
Yes I wish more information about the subject...
About the little I know I think the main difference between Iron and Dragon is how Dragon
is handling cookies...but I am not really sure..maybe there is a good reason to keep all this secret...
But I am still interested to know if it is meaningful to use Dragon at all...since Iron is V9 it is tempting to move over..and it seem that V9 is more faster and snappy.

Well, you could read the link that Chiron gave above. It tells a lot of the things that have been changed. You can also download the beta of Dragon 9.0.0.2 if you want...

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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2011, 11:59:33 PM »
ChromePlus is my Primary browser.
Iron, IE, and Dragon are my Secondary browsers.


What's the point of having 3 browsers that are all based on the same source code? ???
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Re: What's the difference in security between iron browser and Comodo dragon
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2011, 09:30:35 AM »
What's the point of having 3 browsers that are all based on the same source code? ???
Beautiful question.
I test them, let alone I have my own personal reasons.

Dragon V9 beta loads up faster than Iron V9, might be because of the adblock.ini.
I am hoping that Dragon or Iron get a sidebar for bookmarks, then I might move away from slow-loading ChromePlus.

In the University, Firefox keeps giving a security prompt that prevents me from logging into their wireless, and it works on the Chromiums and IE. I just keep the secondary optional on the Quick-launch for anyone that wants to use my laptop for the internet, they can pick one.

 

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