Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?

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[PeaceWave]

Hello SiberLynx

Thank you

but first , we are not here in this forum to address aother people's products, but
having a forum that doesn't exist practically is not a forum at all, hence:whaere are the links that address the issue and toggle it in the Avira forum?

and Well? Avira stops comodo's guard and defence plus , and I am talking full features, because that what interests me, I want the whole of avira and the whole of comodo, if I have to choose, it's Comodo, and I did that ,

I still recommend avira to those who don't really know how to respond to a firewall properly ,
Avira had a better HIPS in 9 <  not in 10 , and comodo does that better ..

I also noticed that COMODO has the best multi layered security of a guard in the internet, but it blocks most threats silently if the autoblocking is selected, avira USED to do that better , and trust me I came across two small apps, that does what avira does, only better  and both work fine with comodo, ..

I agree about EMISOFT they have a better responding, and a quicker response, but hey, I could use their a-squared, and I never said anything about EMISOFT, so I don't really know the reason you had to mention it

I have 32-250MB ram xp3 , and they DO NOT WORK together ( I mean comodo , avira ) ..

besides, I really woun't use it anymore, and I woun't recommend it to anyone using COMODO internet security since the alternative is there ..

and configured properly comodo will not need any athor app to fortify it .. ,

P.S

I am not a guru in computer, I am an every  day user, and so is everyone I advice on what programs to yuse, and stay as save as possible, SO, I need a program that respects this, >..
and you know what? I found it in COMODO

neither comodo nor I ever claimed that the program couldn't be better , but again .. how many vendors out there who believe the same, and this is I believe is the topic of THIS thread .. 

thanx again

Regards

[SiberLynx]

Hi NobleArab , thanks for the reply

I do understand that you want to use CIS only and that's fine,
Sure this is not a discussion about Avira,... but the thread is about AV in general (& whether it is a fraud )

You mentioned Avira and I just replied that it does work with Comodo (firewall);
It is installed on win 7 x64 as on-demand together with full EAM and I can switch between them being the main AV any time . It never stopped neither Comodo's Guard nor the Defense+
EAM was mentioned just in the context of the detection rate
The link for Avira forum is above. I rechecked. There are many topics created today   so I am not  sure about you message re: the forum

Anyway... “Is the AntiVirus biggest fraud in the security world?”; “Shouldn't they tell you that it won't protect you?”  Cheers!

[Chiron]

Then, Avira definitely has a very good support and forum.
I'm not sure what do you mean by "no forum, no addressing the problems'  
How about this link?

Thanks for pointing this out SiberLynx.

I've now included the link here.

If you know of any other links for my list you think I should add please let me know on that page. Thanks.

[PeaceWave]

absolutely SiberLynx , , your most welcome,

let me just say this, the problem exist until today, I participate inm many public forums, and avira free will not work with Comodo, as for their forum, my idea of a forum is interaction, it's not enough to answer saying , you need to use one of them only, or it's from comodo's part where comodo has replied to such issues immediately or  that we have tested it, and they worked just fine, or saying you need to remove comodo anti virus, or any of these NON-answers , and until TODAY, avira will stop comodo, at least it will appear to be stopped on the icon on the task bar, I had to exit comodo, and then restart it agin at every reboot,

the problem is not mine alone, everyone I know faces this prob, and that's exactly what I told avira in the feed back like 100 times, after a year or so, I decided that my peace of mind is got to be considered

and today also I visted avira's forum, nothing indicates that they even acknowledge the issue , rather than taggle it, oh m I forgot to mention that neither putting comodo on the exclude list , nor asking avira to treat it as safe, or reporting back to avira that it was false positive worked, .. 

anyway, thank you for this nice involvement, are you by any chance a member of avira team?? 

[SiberLynx]

Thanks for pointing this out SiberLynx.
I've now included the link here.

You are welcome, Chiron
Your thread, mentioned and other things that you are doing here in the forum are very helpful   Cheers!

...absolutely SiberLynx ,  your most welcome,...anyway, thank you for this nice involvement...

Thanks NobleArab  

... are you by any chance a member of avira team??

No chance & absolutely not   Cheers!

[brucine]

I confirm what silberlynx says concerning avira: it works together with comodo with no problem whatsoever, it's what i'm running under xp 32bits  and cis 3 with no av and no trusted vendors (and of course no sandbox).

It however takes a few seconds to be activated in the tray, due either to avira drivers themselves, either to the multiple defense+ rules needed in order to run avira.

I didn't make the test under cis5, where i run cis av (still with no sandbox or trusted vendor).

[Tech]

As per the semi-annual security report of a German security vendor G Data, the amount of new malware applications made a record for H1-2010 with more than a million registered in just six months alone.

The report reveals that during H1-2010, G Data detected 1,017,208 new malware, an increase of 51% over the H1-2009. Strong growth should result in the emergence of more than 2 Million new malicious codes in the complete 2010.

http://www.gdatasoftware.co.uk/uploads/media/GData_MalwareReport_2010_1_6_EN.pdf
http://spamnews.com/The-News/Latest/First-Half-of-2010-Records-More-Than-Million-New-Viruses-2010092213782/

Is it the failure of signatures technology?

[brucine]

Is it the failure of signatures technology?

It has always failed, whether you call it avira, cis, nis of whatever you want; cloud or not, av is always uneffective against malware excepting obsolete ones (xp has a anti-blaster executable, has someone seen blaster in the last 15 years?).

It's however not a reason to advocate for sandbox, trusted editors, and other useless gadgets instead of safe surf and good practices of firewall and hips administration on the behalf that it would be more user friendly and keep the user to be asked whatever by these firewall and hips.

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It's however not a reason to advocate for sandbox, trusted editors, and other useless gadgets instead of safe surf and good practices of firewall and hips administration on the behalf that it would be more user friendly and keep the user to be asked whatever by these firewall and hips.

Sure it wasn't the substitute for good practices.
But could you constrain the user for them? No? So, it's not the final solution.
Not all the solutions could be called "useless gadgets"...

[PeaceWave]

hey guys

today, and let's just sum it up:
  Avira free does not work WELL with comodo internet security premium , it stops defense plus engine, and blocks updates, and I don't know what else it stops
not talking about the firewall alone

so why were they so good together before?, and why now, I think it's intintial from avira's part, and that's what bugs me, I don't know that for a fact < but , you ask avira to exclude comodo's update, report it to them as a false positive, and nothing happens, . Why now, and not in the previous issues ??

so if you guys, have not tested them together in the case described above, please do not tell me ' that they work fine, because, I'll just say that you're advocating or lobbying for Avira" which is a good program no doubt"

So why wouldn't they recognize COMODO as safe, and as a false positive, " or say that comodo is not safe, but to ignore the entire issue is beyond my comprehension ..

and please if someone want's to address this issue again, I ask you to read all my replies in this thread ..

P.S I moderate 15 forums , and the issue existed in every single one of them with every user,

as for the sandbox

so should we say that it's not a good defense a pproach,?

I don't know, but certainly I like that you control programs running in the sandbox better ..

and I noticed something I really like< it speeds up some apps , and even browsing  notably

and I really do not like people calling the sandbox useless when they had never produced SOMETHING better , or at least say that it does more harm than good, otherwise speaking so loudly against it, is just nonsense ..

greatest regards to all and everyone

 

[PeaceWave]

Oh, I forgot to mention that cloud tech, is awsome, and I like to think of it as the future compacting malwre and elimination tech.

simply because malwares live in cyberspace,and  so should  the tech battling them ,
not saying that removal tools will seize to exist, just that cloud tech, is smarter

P.s. :

Is anyone having problems installing CIS 5?
got it downloaded , but woun't execute, file's not corrupt, I'll try the universal downloader , and let you know in a thread ..

cheers guys

[brucine]

Avira free does not work WELL with comodo internet security premium , it stops defense plus engine, and blocks updates, and I don't know what else it stops
not talking about the firewall alone

I don't know what "comodo internet security premium" is; every version is exactly the same, outside of the support, not relevant for what we are speaking of.
Everything that follows, is as i already said, definitely not true, except maybe blocking update behaviors, both from Comodo and Avira, and concerning several other things then both of them (as an example, both of  them attack all of my remote connexion softwares): it pertains to each user to set each of these softwares to allow what he wants to be allowed.
You are maybe not able to do so, or do not want to, but it does not entitle you to write counter-truths.

I'll just say that you're advocating or lobbying for Avira" which is a good program no doubt"

Another invalid argument.
I don't see here people advocating for anything else then comodo itself (and far too much without, as you do, argumenting what they say), and i definitely do not lobby for anyone.
I don't believe in a word of whatever av utility, and the only resaon i installed avira some months ago is because in this same forum some people said it to be impossible with cis (without av, of course).
And, again, a strange concept of discussion: anyone not agreeing with not your discussions, you haven't made any, but your crude statements, is a "foreign power zealot"; i remember reading this kind of argumentation in other democratic circumstances...

and I really do not like people calling the sandbox useless when they had never produced SOMETHING better , or at least say that it does more harm than good, otherwise speaking so loudly against it, is just nonsense ..

The only nonsense i see is being so sure of one's own ideas (even if you can't, as you say yourself, make them to work) that the only answer made to whatever discsussion is that you don't like the one writing it and that he is himself "nonsense".
You are free not to like my ideas, but i don't see what entitles you to like me or not: we don't know each other at the day speaking and, for what i am reading, God help me for such an event never to occur.

Last, the gold medal of "nonsense": did you yourself, in the last hours, produce a new forum rule edicting that anyone speaking against sandbox should "produce something better", and are you in this statement writing that this forum should become a developpers newsgroup?
I can speak, if someone wants to, about what i think about the sandbox, gathered not only from my own ideas (to which i am entitled to even if they are wrong) but from observations of its behavior in this same forum, but most certainly not with someone not wanting to discuss whatever, a curious and somewhat new behavior in a forum.

[Chiron]

got it downloaded , but woun't execute, file's not corrupt, I'll try the universal downloader , and let you know in a thread ..

Have you already read this?

[EricJH]

Let's not divert this topic about compatibility between CIS and AVIRA.

At NobleArab fi you can reproduce the problem with a clean installation of both CIS, you can follow Chiron's guide here, and AVIRA please  file a bug report in the Bug Reports - CIS board following the format as described in FORMAT & GUIDE - just COPY/PASTE it!.

[PeaceWave]

but your crude statements, is a "foreign power zealot";

by brucine

I don't know what "comodo internet security premium" is , so why are you buttin' in??? 

but I do know what it is, and that's why I love it, and the team behind it 

I only hope that you are not making some racist remarks, and that the language barrier is the only thing to blame here, why are u so pumped up, ?? or better yet, I don't really care

EricJH

I agree

and thank you for your response " and that's exactly what I meant when I said other people don't have forums, it doesn't matter if you have a site and call it a forum when you do not respond to issues posted by people who respect your product and use it : 

The universal installer did the job very well , I didn't even get a notification of an update from CIS 4
I just visited the site as I always do, and found it, and I really never needed to sign up with comodo to find all of my answers, I just did because I wana be with the team .. that's why I never looked around, but I would've done that , had the program  not installed at all, ..
 
Thanx a mill guys

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