Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....

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[kail]

Could you show me when/how they broke the agreement?  you can't right, ..

I can.. the contract between Comodo and AV-C was void (broken) as soon as AV-C attempted to blackmail/extort Comodo. Even if blackmail was a stipulated ramification of the contract, which it wasn't (I assume. Melih?), then it wouldn't be binding anyway due to its somewhat obvious illegality.

Now.. this is repetition once again! It's all been said before in this topic, which supposedly you have read and followed. Since you seem to be trolling currently, please explain to me what you are doing and why? What suddenly provoked such a response from you many months after the event?

[lordraiden]

I can.. the contract between Comodo and AV-C was void (broken) as soon as AV-C attempted to blackmail/extort Comodo. Even if blackmail was a stipulated ramification of the contract, which it wasn't, then it wouldn't be binding anyway due to its somewhat obvious illegality.

Now.. this is repetition once again! It's all been said before in this topic, which supposedly you have read and followed. Since you seem to be trolling currently, please explain to me what you are doing and why? What suddenly provoked such a response from you many months after the event?

Jajaja I see you don't want to talk about Melih breaking the contract xD

Men, one thing is what Melih told you and another thing is the truth and the law
A judge will never admit that email saying that "they may do something..." as a proof, mostly because they have done nothing.
On the other hand Melih has publish confidential information breaking in this way the contract and you are so happy about it.
Seems that for your is worse a supposed threat than a murder. 

I wrote this time because I saw the murderer rejoicing againg in this crime

[kail]

Hmm.. now you appear to be avoiding questions and at this point I could accuse you of not being able to hold a reasonable conversation.. that's what you did.

Jajaja I see you don't want to talk about Melih breaking the contract xD

Men, one thing is what Melih told you and another thing is the truth.

How do you know that?

A judge will never admit that email saying that "they may do something..." as a proof, mostly because they have done nothing.

You should look up blackmail and extortion. Because that is exactly what it is all about.. the threat, not the act. Why do you say this?

On the other hand Melih has publish confidential information breaking in this way the contract and you are so happy about it.

I was not happy with it.. but, I did fully agree with it. It was, and is, my view that AV-C's actions had clearly stepped over any reasonable line of behavior and that they had forfeit any expectations of confidentiality. I was sincerely shocked by AV-C's actions, I've never seen anything like that before. I can only assume that they have been getting away with this type of behavior for some time.

Seems that for your is worse a supposed threat than a murder. 

The threat of murder is still illegal.


Since you seem to be trolling currently, please explain to me what you are doing and why? What suddenly provoked such a response from you many months after the event?

[lordraiden]

Hmm.. now you appear to be avoiding questions and at this point I could accuse you of not being able to hold a reasonable conversation.. that's what you did.

What question?, I just see that you only talk about what AVC did and not about what Melih did.

How do you know that?

The proofs are in Melih's blog.

You should look up blackmail and extortion. Because that is exactly what it is all about.. the threat, not the act.

Thank I know exactly what it is but seems that you don't know what is publish confidential information, something worse that threaten with publishing conf info

I was not happy with it.. but, I did fully agree with it. It was, and is, my view that AV-C's actions had clearly stepped over any reasonable line of behavior and that they had forfeit any expectations of confidentiality. I was sincerely shocked by AV-C's actions, I've never seen anything like that before. I can only assume that they have been getting away with this type of behavior for some time.

You can assume? xD well that your visionary point of view.

The threat of murder is still illegal.

Also is the act of publishing confidential information, so with this you agree that he did something ilegal.

Since you seem to be trolling currently, please explain to me what you are doing and why? What suddenly provoked such a response from you many months after the event?

I explained to you before, go to mi last post, call me troll is not going to help you to disavow me, te effect is opposite.

All this story remembers me when DACS was going to be the solution of the world and suddenly Melih get a seat to be with the bigs of the AV industry and DACS and excellent product ready to be release disappear from the map and the only excuse is that is was not a solution anymore... xD the truth the truth xD
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[kail]

I only talk about what AV-C did, so my questions are not questions? Well forgive me for being on-topic.

If the evidence/proof (proofs.. nice AV-C terminology there) that Melih has apparently lied to me is on his blog, then please highlight it for me.

Publishing confidential information is worse than blackmail? I'm going to need some citations for that. Where I reside, blackmail is illegal and often results in a custodial sentence.. where as releasing confidential information (that is not an official secret or a threat to national security) is merely a contractual issue, if anything at all.

Visionary? Thanks, but sorry I'm no visionary. Although my risk analysis skills are quite sound though.

Also is the act of publishing confidential information, so with this you agree that he did something ilegal.

No it is not! Where did you get this from?

I explained to you before, go to mi last post, call me troll is not going to help you to disavow me, te effect is opposite.

I didn't call you a troll. But, you didn't explain to me anything. I wanted to know what has made you post like this months after the event? Or failing that, what are you doing and why?

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with DACS.

[lordraiden]

I only talk about what AV-C did, so my questions are not questions? Well forgive me for being on-topic.

If the evidence/proof (proofs.. nice AV-C terminology there) that Melih has apparently lied to me is on his blog, then please highlight it for me.

Publishing confidential information is worse than blackmail? I'm going to need some citations for that. Where I reside, blackmail is illegal and often results in a custodial sentence.. where as releasing confidential information (that is not an official secret or a threat to national security) is merely a contractual issue, if anything at all.

Visionary? Thanks, but sorry I'm no visionary. Although my risk analysis skills are quite sound though.
No it is not! Where did you get this from?
I didn't call you a troll. But, you didn't explain to me anything. I wanted to know what has made you post like this months after the event? Or failing that, what are you doing and why?

I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with DACS.

1) I'm talking about the case, you talk about AVC, I'm on topic, thanks

2) read the blog and read the bottom line of the emails.

3) Could you show me the LAW in US where says that publishing confidential information is not illegal?

4) As I said before only a fan will accept the proofs in Melih blog as a threat, and ordinary lawyer will drop that accusations easily. "I may publish..." xD

5) I explained to you 2 post ago, go back and read.

6) DACS is just an anecdote of what is also important for this company, security and build castles in the air to make noise.

[kail]

Erm.. AV-C is the subject of this topic (literally) and I didn't say you were not on topic. Reread my post.

I've read Melih's blog in detail, multiple times. You are going to have to highlight this for me as I said before.

Personally, I don't know much about US law. But, you want me to show you something that doesn't exist? I think it would be much easier if you just prove your assertion that publishing "confidential information" is illegal.. or, at least, where you got that idea from.

Your number 5.. yes, I've done that. And I cannot find the answer to my questions. Can you also highlight this for me please. Thanks.

[lordraiden]

Erm.. AV-C is the subject of this topic (literally) and I didn't say you were not on topic. Reread my post.

I've read Melih's blog in detail, multiple times. You are going to have to highlight this for me as I said before.

Personally, I don't know much about US law. But, you want me to show something that doesn't exist? I think it would be much easier if you just prove your assertion that publishing "confidential information" is illegal.. or, at least, where you got that idea from.

Your number 5.. yes, I've done that. And I cannot find the answer to my questions. Can you also highlight this for me please. Thanks.

Don't be lazy go to the blog, press ctrl+f and write "confidential" and then read.

Please dont make yourself fool and use google: http://www.google.es/search?q=puvlish+confidential+information+is+punish&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:official&client=firefox-a#hl=es&client=firefox-a&hs=dij&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:official&sa=X&ei=0wExT5GKIKfr0gGi6eCKCA&ved=0CBwQBSgA&q=publish+confidential+information+is+punished&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=314c5b45316ccf2c&biw=1680&bih=844

Your number 5.. yes, I've done that. And I cannot find the answer to my questions. Can you also highlight this for me please. Thanks.

Don't be lazy come on xD

I wrote this time because I saw the murderer rejoicing againg in this crime

[kail]

Don't be lazy go to the blog, press ctrl+f and write "confidential" and then read.

Perhaps I was not clear. I see nothing there that supports your assertion that Melih has lied to me.

Lazy?!? This has nothing to do with me being lazy! On the contrary, this is your assertion, not mine. Now stop messing around, support your assertion or withdraw it.

I don't know what you're used to, but when you call someone a liar (in public), you'd better have the evidence to support it!

Please dont make yourself fool and use google: http://www.google.es/search?q=puvlish+confidential+information+is+punish&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:official&client=firefox-a#hl=es&client=firefox-a&hs=dij&rls=org.mozilla:es-ES:official&sa=X&ei=0wExT5GKIKfr0gGi6eCKCA&ved=0CBwQBSgA&q=publish+confidential+information+is+punished&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=314c5b45316ccf2c&biw=1680&bih=844
Don't be lazy come on xD

Again calling me lazy?!? Is this some sort of joke? Seriously, did you actually read the results of your Google search? I'm guessing (hoping) not. Once again, this is your assertion (publishing "confidential information" is illegal) so you have to do the work to support it! Duh!

BTW I'm assuming you know the difference between: Civil & Criminal.. and Government, Private & Public. Right?


And since you didn't show me your answers to my questions..

Since you seem to be trolling currently, please explain to me what you are doing and why? What suddenly provoked such a response from you many months after the event?

edit..

I must admit, I discounted this as an answer..

I wrote this time because I saw the murderer rejoicing againg in this crime

.. mainly since there wasn't any murder that I know of.

[lordraiden]

Perhaps I was not clear. I see nothing there that supports your assertion that Melih has lied to me.

Lazy?!? This has nothing to do with me being lazy! On the contrary, this is your assertion, not mine. Now stop messing around, support your assertion or withdraw it.

I don't know what you're used to, but when you call someone a liar (in public), you'd better have the evidence to support it!

Yes men you are lazy. from Melih blog publish in public:

Here is a confidential preview of your results, I do not expect changes.

Dear Umesh,

first, thanks for your mail. I want to clarify, that this E-Mail is confidential.

There are more examples you can find them

Again calling me lazy?!? Is this some sort of joke? Seriously, did you actually read the results of your Google search? I'm guessing (hoping) not. Once again, this is your assertion (publishing "confidential information" is illegal) so you have to do the work to support it! Duh!

I see you didn't read it you prefer to write a nonsense here xD

Since you seem to be trolling currently, please explain to me what you are doing and why? What suddenly provoked such a response from you many months after the event?

Really again? are you blind? or are you trolling
READ:
I wrote this time because I saw the murderer rejoicing again in this crime 3 or 4 posts above. That the reason, I write when I want I don't need to ask you for permission.

But the best of everything is that here seems that everybody forgot that Melih started to make false accusations against AVC. This is clearly another way to blackmail because he wasn't getting what he wanted.

it simply not true that we do not test for protection. Also it is technically wrong what Melih

wrote He is blaming himself. And as we see users are recognizing that and writing this to us.

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Re: Comodo AV Database update page

Read the links to the posts in the blog

[kail]

 

OK. I'll try to make this very simple..

Despite what you may think or believe, you have shown me nothing to support either of your main assertions..

• Melih has lied to me.
• Publishing "confidential information" is illegal (criminal).

So, you had better check your facts (checking with somebody else might be best). You must either support or withdraw you assertion that Melih lied to me.

I don't really care much about your "publishing confidential information is illegal" assertion, that's just making you look ill-informed and somewhat lacking in experience.

PS it's "man", not "men". As in; Oh man! You're such a sock puppet.

[lordraiden]

OK. I'll try to make this very simple..

Despite what you may think or believe, you have shown me nothing to support either of your main assertions..

• Melih has lied to me.
• Publishing "confidential information" is illegal (criminal).

So, you had better check your facts (checking with somebody else might be best). You must either support or withdraw you assertion that Melih lied to me.

I don't really care much about your "publishing confidential information is illegal" assertion, that's just making you look ill-informed and somewhat lacking in experience.

PS it's "man", not "men". As in; Oh man! You're such a sock puppet.

LoL now that you have the proof you don't want to talk anymore xD

Please use the dictionary to understand the difference btw illegal and criminal, it's really a pity to read what you write.

To make this simple, just think a little bit and put the facts in a time line.

1) Melih starts to make false accusations/lies about AVC in his own forum in order to blackmail AVC and get what he wanted (read the blog and the links to CIS forum)
2) AVC says that they will do the same if Melih does not stop.
3) Melih setup a castle in the air to appear like a victim.

[Valentin N]

1) Melih starts to make false accusations/lies about AVC in his own forum in order to blackmail AVC and get what he wanted (read the blog and the links to CIS forum)
2) AVC says that they will do the same if Melih does not stop.
3) Melih setup a castle in the air to appear like a victim.

Don't forget that Melih is the only one that has to lose if it's false accusations.

For confidential stuff.... many things that are spread of the internet are confidential but no one makes big deal of it.

Melih wouldn't waste his time on publishing such info.

[kail]

LoL now that you have the proof you don't want to talk anymore xD ..

You have provided no proof. Look, I'll do it to you..

/example=on
This is definative proof that you're not only a bare faced liar, but also a troll and a really poor one at that!

I wrote this time because I saw the murderer rejoicing againg in this crime

/example=off

See? I can do it too. You're making no sense at all. You cite stuff and give no explanation of why you think it supports your assertions. You might as well just cited stuff randomly, like I did, for all the sense it made.

Please use the dictionary to understand the difference btw illegal and criminal, it's really a pity to read what you write.

The difference between? You've got to be trolling! Other than you, who said or even implied that illegal = criminal? I said "illegal (criminal)" and "civil and criminal", which are both perfectly valid.

1,2 & 3: Facts in a timeline? What a load of preposterous drivel. You have a very strange, although mildly amusing, definition of the word "fact". Unless.. you are now saying that AV-C denies sending those emails to Comodo? Or, perhaps, AV-C are now denying threatening Comodo?

AV-C are threatening to do that same? Well, according to your rather fanciful story, that means AV-C are threatening to lie and act illegally.. or (according to me).. be threatened by Comodo and tell the truth. Which is it?

[vix123]

Melih is not to blame for the publication of the contract since AV-Comparatives had threatened to do so in the first place.

However, AV-Comparatives would lose more if they didn't publish their deal with Comodo which made plainly obvious that their fees don't affect their results.

In the end AV-Comparatives lost some credibility to the business world but gained more to their public.

Don't forget that Melih is the only one that has to lose if it's false accusations.

Yes, Melih has been criticized on numerous occasions for micromanaging PR. He does remind me of Derek Smart on the Usenet in the 90s.

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