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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 09:34:16 AM »
Nice one Melih. :-TU
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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 09:35:55 AM »
Nice one Melih. :-TU

We really want what is best for the end users and are putting our money where our mouth is.

We sincerely hope that AV-Comparatives will take up the offer for Comodo to bring a 3rd party to validate and audit them in the interest of end users. Its a win-win for everyone involved.

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2011, 09:44:32 AM »
Ah, sorry.. I thought that AV-Comparatives had accepted your offer. Well, here's hoping that they do decide to accept it. It's a very good offer.
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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 09:51:12 AM »
Ah, sorry.. I thought that AV-Comparatives had accepted your offer. Well, here's hoping that they do decide to accept it. It's a very good offer.

I am very hopeful that they will, why wouldn't they?
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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 12:26:34 PM »
We really want what is best for the end users and are putting our money where our mouth is.

Go for it Melih! (:CLP)
Show the world who is wrong and who is right.

People can surely talk the talk, but only a couple do according their words.
And you, Mister, are really someone we can trust because your actions show you have NOTHING to hide.

My full respect to you.
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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 01:08:52 PM »

Dear Melih,

We are already in the process of certification/accreditation
http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=39883

But we take your word, after we get the accreditation, we would please you to donate the money to a charity organization we will tell you. We  think on SOS-Kinderdorf (they are helping homeless children all over the world). This year AV-C donated a lot of computers to them, they are very happy about support.

Your offer is appreciated. We hope, that you will remember.

Peter (AV-Comparatives)

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2011, 02:26:07 PM »
Dear Melih,

We are already in the process of certification/accreditation
http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=39883

But we take your word, after we get the accreditation, we would please you to donate the money to a charity organization we will tell you. We  think on SOS-Kinderdorf (they are helping homeless children all over the world). This year AV-C donated a lot of computers to them, they are very happy about support.

Your offer is appreciated. We hope, that you will remember.

Peter (AV-Comparatives)


This is great news Peter, thank you.

That means you guys are confident about allowing an "auditor" to audit you guys. Excellent. Can you please publicly announce when you want the Auditors to start, as mentioned, we will pay for them.

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2011, 03:04:17 PM »
FYI: I have also emailed my offer to AV-Comparatives guys, this is how they responded:

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Hi,

It seems you are not well informed (either that, or just another marketing stunt from your side).

We are already in the process to get ISO 17025 accreditation http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=39883

Meanwhile you can have a look at tests of other ISO17025 certified labs like e.g. ICSA.

Regards,
andreas
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I am glad again that AV-Comparatives is trying to achieve what ICSA has achieved long time ago. Its about time. By the way, Comodo is ICSA certified!.

At the moment AV-Comparatives is NOT certified, why won't you let Comodo get an auditor to audit your current tests?

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2011, 03:05:17 PM »
Nice to see that we can all get along.... ;)

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2011, 03:11:19 PM »
Nice to see that we can all get along.... ;)

They admit that they are not certified and aspire to have certification like ICSA.
Comodo is ICSA is certified.
Comodo offers to pay "auditer" to audit their results (which are NOT certified at the moment).
Why wouldn't they "validate" their current results if they are so confident?

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2011, 03:41:17 PM »
Dear Melih,

We are already in the process of certification/accreditation
http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=39883

But we take your word, after we get the accreditation, we would please you to donate the money to a charity organization we will tell you. We  think on SOS-Kinderdorf (they are helping homeless children all over the world). This year AV-C donated a lot of computers to them, they are very happy about support.

Your offer is appreciated. We hope, that you will remember.

Peter (AV-Comparatives)

This is nice.
"If there is a problem, it`s something interesting. Try to circumvent or fix it.
In the old ages there was no support. That`s why we got the brain we have today.
Otherwise we would only be able to call a number and listen."

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2011, 10:54:24 PM »
Why won't AV-Comparatives get their tests validated by a credible 3rd party, with this offer? Their current tests are NOT certified and they are choosing to not validate them. Why?

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2011, 01:26:46 AM »
We are already in the process of certification/accreditation
http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=39883

But we take your word, after we get the accreditation, we would please you to donate the money .
Thats what i read.

Shoving piles of money into more tests of tests is a "first world problem". Is the testers-testing company better if it costs 50.000?
Why isnt av-c a good tester if it takes money for their tests too? In opposite, you say, its bad.
You say, credible. What makes it credible? If av-c would do bad, no antivirus company would agree another year.
If the tester-testers would do bad, the same would happen for them.

I dont see black and white here. And av-c seems to be in a certification/accreditation process. Like they said.
"If there is a problem, it`s something interesting. Try to circumvent or fix it.
In the old ages there was no support. That`s why we got the brain we have today.
Otherwise we would only be able to call a number and listen."

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Re: Comodo Agrees to pay $50,000 to AV-Comparatives.org.....
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2011, 03:19:51 AM »
Shoving piles of money into more tests of tests is a "first world problem". Is the testers-testing company better if it costs 50.000?
Huh? What Comodo is offering are auditors, not the testing of the tests. An audit is not a test, it is very real.

I dont see black and white here. And av-c seems to be in a certification/accreditation process. Like they said.
Because it's an ISO accreditation! Assuming it's like ISO 9001 (which it is), there is a slight oddity from the general public's point-of-view.. you get to scope the standard. So, interestingly there is no "standard" ISO 17025. That scope does need to be published though.

However, that aside.. just because you have an ISO accreditation that doesn't mean that you don't need an audit any more. Actually the complete opposite is true. Once you have ISO accreditation, you then need regular audits to ensure that you're adhering to your scoped ISO standard! The accreditation on its own would be fairly meaningless.
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