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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 09:47:59 AM »
Really it was a good idea to reveal confidential e-mails? ...

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 10:01:30 AM »
They threatened by saying that they will reveal it. So it was their call first.

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 10:02:58 AM »
What when  they will try and go the legal route by saying you shared the confidential email with the public in order to justify?

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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 10:28:19 AM »
I agree with Melih that the all too common practice of taking money from software vendors for published evaluations of their products is dreadfully pernicious.

If your evaluations are of adequate quality, software users will pay for them. If not why not improve them?

Why not make them outcome-based as Melih suggests?

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 10:33:18 AM »
What when  they will try and go the legal route by saying you shared the confidential email with the public in order to justify?

they claim to be a "not for profit" organisation, so revealing how they charge their clients (the AV companies) is end user benefit. Also they said they will make this information public in their email we didn't censor our posts...

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 11:42:01 AM »
I'm glad the truth is finally shown about AV Comparatives, I believe a lot more people will start to fade away from depending on AV Comparatives Test Results because They can't test the whole product of CIS 5.8 due to the "Sandboxing Patent Feature".. and they tried to blackmail Comodo just because of Free Speech and Opinions about them? Heck, I would love to have any and all feedback, They just couldn't handle bad feedback i guess.. and if they can't handle bad feedback then how will they ever improve their services?

Comodo don't censor our posts, Comodo don't delete posts even when it's bad feedback about Comodo.

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 11:53:51 AM »
I'm glad the truth is finally shown about AV Comparatives, I believe a lot more people will start to fade away from depending on AV Comparatives Test Results because They can't test the whole product of CIS 5.8 due to the "Sandboxing Patent Feature".. and they tried to blackmail Comodo just because of Free Speech and Opinions about them? Heck, I would love to have any and all feedback, They just couldn't handle bad feedback i guess.. and if they can't handle bad feedback then how will they ever improve their services?

Comodo don't censor our posts, Comodo don't delete posts even when it's bad feedback about Comodo.

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And that is the key:

They can't test our product, hence don't include it, but insuniate that only the good AVs are tested. all this while Andreas said:

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btw, do not be unhappy about the „other malware/viruses“ %s, you will see in the report that also other vendors score low there (mainly because that category contains non-PE malware). Furthermore, your ~90% is higher than what some few other products scored and similar to what other well-known products reached. You will see

 

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What that means is all the PE based malware (the trojans, viruses, spyware, rootkits etc) is detected well by Comodo and according to Andreas: "higher than what some few other products scored and similar to what other well-known products reached"

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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2011, 12:19:00 PM »
if they want to be open they should have their price list published for testing. How much it costs and what it includes.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2011, 12:22:11 PM »
if they want to be open they should have their price list published for testing. How much it costs and what it includes.

is there anywhere on their site where they mention that they charge the AV vendors for these tests?

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 12:54:03 PM »
is there anywhere on their site where they mention that they charge the AV vendors for these tests?
Yes; "AV-Comparatives is an Austrian Non-Profit-Organization, which is providing independent Anti-Virus software tests free to the public" = http://www.av-comparatives.org/en/about-us
It's assumed that the tests are charged to the private business

"In order to get included in our main tests, vendors must fulfill various conditions and minimum requirements." Although the requirements aren't noted until you use the contact form to actually contact them about pricing I searched through their site and no price/actually notice of payment is needed is shown.

This PDF is found on their website
"Our sorting and testing methodology and the FAQ's can be found here (PDF). [08/2008]"
http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/docs/methodology.pdf  (Page 10 #4)


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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 12:57:16 PM »
Yes; "AV-Comparatives is an Austrian Non-Profit-Organization, which is providing independent Anti-Virus software tests free to the public" = http://www.av-comparatives.org/en/about-us



so they don't mention that they get paid by Anti virus vendors.. AMAZING!!!!!!

Their wording is very clever....the "tests free to the public".....OMG!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 01:05:35 PM »
But did you pay them to not publish the results as they mentioned in the e-mail? :)

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 01:12:28 PM »
But did you pay them to not publish the results as they mentioned in the e-mail? :)
It would cost more to publish the results on their website; so Comodo Opt out to pay extra so the results were never published publicly

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2011, 01:15:43 PM »
But did you pay them to not publish the results as they mentioned in the e-mail? :)

pls read the blog (as suggested...)..everything is there....

we did NOT pay them to not publish the results as they mentioned in the email!!!!!!


 

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