Why CIS doesn't completely shutdown ?

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[DarkButterfly]

PS. Comparing to SAS is apples and oranges.

How so? Of course, SAS is not a firewall, is it an antispyware tool. But, the thing is that making possible to fully shutdown Comodo's firewall won't make it weaker and make it possible for malware to shut it down. Hence, I gave the example of SAS, which has a pretty dang good self protection, which will prevent other processes from terminating it, and will only allow it's termination from the taskmgr, if allowed in it's settings.

So, it has a pretty great self protection, without taking full control to the user. So, bringing SAS or any other tool on this matter turns out a great example on a great tool with a strong self protection.

Or is the only way to get full control of our system to fully uninstall the application?

If we go that way, sooner or later every security app will load on startup no matter what, even if such application is only required when we access the Internet, and we won't be able to do a dang thing about it. Is this the control we wish for our systems? But what controls what or who controls what? Are the apps that control our system and us? Or should we be the ones controlling the apps that control the system?

But, considering what has been happening with my system and D+ very recently, I would say that the apps are what control us and our systems. To get full control back, just kill it bad and nasty.

Perhaps, you don't like to control things. Well, I do enjoy controlling everything I can. And I do not wish a tool to prevent me from doing something that I wish to do. If I wish to fully terminate it's processes and prevent it from fully running, then why can't I?

[Bad Frogger]

"How so? Of course, SAS is not a firewall" = Correct!

And no application that would do as you seem to want would be anywhere near
as good as Comodo is at what it does.

It's like some people want others to reinvent the Pointy Bowling Ball or One Legged Tripod.

I'm sorry things just don't work the way you wish.

A firewall, a good one at least has to operate at a lower level than all the examples you
could give.

[WaterWall]

I don't want COMODO to lower it's high standarts in security and self-defense. I want COMODO team to get creative and find a way out.
Maybe a password protected shutdown. Or a CAPTCHA (as Kyle suggested). Something.

I love CIS, because you can turn almost anything off or change settings and it won't start flashing, changing colors or beeping, that your security is not complete. If you turn something off, it means you know what you are doing. It doesn't insult your intelligence, it doesn't treat you like an i.d.i.o.t. I like that. I hate Security Suites where you can turn off spam filtering, but it will start screaming that you are not protected 

Bottom line - Please make CIS "quitable" and fix the bug ? where CIS can't start it's own service if that service was set on manual. 

Thank you COMODO !  (B) (R)

Sorry for poor English 

[patrice58]

I'm the MASTER and I'm the MAESTRO and the GOD Err dude are you feeling ok? Anyway I would not want that to happen as if I can shut it down that simply then so can malware.

[WaterWall]

I'm the MASTER and I'm the MAESTRO and the GOD Err dude are you feeling ok? Anyway I would not want that to happen as if I can shut it down that simply then so can malware.

Please read the previous posts more carefuly 



P.S. And yes I'm am the MASTER and MAESTRO and GOD of my PC 

[patrice58]

Yeah I saw your post and you may think you are the god of your pc but in fact you really are not, as you don't control the cpu or the motherboard or the hard drive. As in they can break for any number of reasons some outside a "normal" persons control but as you are a god and all that.  I am only missing with ya.

[.FaZio93.]

I'm think when Commodus asked you to read the previous posts, he was referring to your comment about... 

Anyway I would not want that to happen as if I can shut it down that simply then so can malware.

But Commodus clearly stated:

I don't want COMODO to lower it's high standarts in security and self-defense. I want COMODO team to get creative and find a way out.
Maybe a password protected shutdown. Or a CAPTCHA (as Kyle suggested). Something.

 

[patrice58]

Hmmmmmmm but if it is not broke why fix it, I understand why you would want say a media player to shut down completely but a firewall I don't see the point but maybe it's just me, if you want it gone then take it off ie uninstall it. I can see that would be time consuming tho. In saying that I understand the OP's wish to run what he wants when he wants as after all is is his computer.

[WaterWall]

Thanks .FaZio93 

Now I found out another thing about CIS and this one hugely disappointed me 

CIS is unable to start is SAFE MODE !!!  That's really, really bad. CIS and Windows Live One Care are the only security applications I know that are unable to do that. 

That means we can't use CIS antivirus to scan our systems in Safe Mode.

COMODO, please solve this problem !!!  (B)

P.S. And why my post was moved to the HELP section ? This should be in a WISHLIST or BUG section 

[panic]

CIS is unable to start is SAFE MODE !!!  That's really, really bad. CIS and Windows Live One Care are the only security applications I know that are unable to do that. 

Safe Mode, AFAIK, is when Windows loads just enough of itself to get running, loading only official Microsoft kernel level drivers and services. Firewall drivers, typically, load as a kernel level driver. Therefore no firewall that utilises a kernel level driver would start in Safe Mode. If they do, then they they are operating at a higher level and cannot be as secure (IMHO).

That means we can't use CIS antivirus to scan your systems in Safe Mode.

This is a bloody good point and also raises the question why there isn't a command line AV tool, like there was in CAVS 2 BETA!!

P.S. And why wy post was moved to the HELP section ? This should be in a WISHLIST or BUG section 

How about we leave it here for a couple more posts and see where it goes?

The question about scanning in Safe Mode may warrant it to be moved back to the wishlist, but I'd like to hear the opinions of others about third party kernel level firewall drivers and services either loading or not loading in Safe Mode. If I'm wrong, then this would need to be added as a wishlist entry.

OK?

Cheers,
Ewen :-)

[WaterWall]

Okay Ewen 

I understand that the firewall isn't able to start in Safe Mode, but if the COMODO Helper service doesn't load, you can't use the antivirus 

Thanks Panic 

[LaserWraith]

I wish that the AVS part of CIS could load in Safe mode.  (Move to wishlist now? )

[John Buchanan]

Safe mode is minimal drivers to allow a load of Windows.  Can Comodo load any part of CIS while in Safe mode?  Jeremy +1 for the AVS,  but shouldn't that be a manual load program at this point?

[black3]

+1 2 [at]Commodus ...... i agree ........... v, the user should b in command & not the software ...........

[bytetracer]

I wish that the AVS part of CIS could load in Safe mode.  (Move to wishlist now? )

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About SAS... You can shut it down by Taskmanager? And not by ANY OTHER process? Well, it is almost the same as beeing able to shut it down BY ANY OTHER process (this is no place to give an explanation, who knows-understands). However, it is not a firewall or AV process (oh, luck...). I wouldn't like my FW behaves like that, 'cause I wouldn't need it than.
But, there is a point in Commodus way of thinking, and it is not related to hardware issues (like someone stated), especially with that nasty cmdagent's 100% CPU bug which just won't go to history pages (yep, it keeps reappearing).
There are certain points when a user MAY want to shutdown FW completely WITHOUT having to manipulate services and startups. And a secure way to accomplish that SHOULD be implemented by COMMODO. And if that's what I want, I am responsible for security of MY MACHINE for amount of time it runs with CIS or FW disabled, which may not be so critical to achive (read: router off). Having to much of security, even in my own best interest, can be pain in the ssA sometimes.

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