What is this? (The Shield Firewall 5.0)

[Guest]

[Rednose]

Why do you agree with Floyd, a guy who is just trolling me ? I provided you with the information you asked for, didn't I ? Why should I help a rogue company, I don't trust ? And please don't twist my words (again).

Greetz, Red.

[Floyd]

Why do you agree with Floyd, a guy who is just trolling me ?

Hey buddy, no need to get personal.
I am kinda resentful of this statement, and you are beginning to hurt my feelings.
 
Boy, you really are riled up about this thing aren't you?
A lot more important things going on in the world than this: you see how Symantec said today that there is now one million virus and that they virus guys are starting to make virus to trick the AV softwares?
IMO that is a lot more worrying than this non-issue, pal.

Peace and love,
floyd.
 

[sded]

Floyd, other than being a newbie who comes on like a shill for PCGuard, you seem to spend most of your time insulting/provoking users who are concerned about the business ethics of Comodo.  You have clearly indicated that as long as you get the free product, you don't care what Comodo does.  But since you don't have a dog in this fight, why are you trying to stop others from exploring their concerns?-it is in the best interests of both the users and Comodo that they be allowed to do it and feel comfortable again with Comodo.  As far as personal, things like "pinnochio nose" are well beyond forum policy.  Cease and desist personal attacks!  None of these people are ever likely to be your "pal" or "buddy".   
Why the head of a company would ask his users to contact a well known security expert admittedly bothers me a bit too-I am used to the man in charge either doing or having his staff do such investigations, usually precontract.  And the question about maintenance remains unanswered, but may not even be an issue.

[Floyd]

Floyd, other than being a newbie who comes on like a shill for PCGuard, you seem to spend most of your time insulting/provoking users who are concerned about the business ethics of Comodo.  You have clearly indicated that as long as you get the free product, you don't care what Comodo does.  But since you don't have a dog in this fight, why are you trying to stop others from exploring their concerns?-it is in the best interests of both the users and Comodo that they be allowed to do it and feel comfortable again with Comodo.  As far as personal, things like "pinnochio nose" are well beyond forum policy.  Cease and desist personal attacks!  None of these people are ever likely to be your "pal" or "buddy".   
Why the head of a company would ask his users to contact a well known security expert admittedly bothers me a bit too-I am used to the man in charge either doing or having his staff do such investigations, usually precontract.  And the question about maintenance remains unanswered, but may not even be an issue.

sded, anyone can read the entire thread and make up their mind for themselves about who supports what and why; thanks for your opinion, though.

Cheers,
floyd.

[Melih]

Why do you agree with Floyd, a guy who is just trolling me ? I provided you with the information you asked for, didn't I ? Why should I help a rogue company, I don't trust ? And please don't twist my words (again).

Greetz, Red.

Red, you have been involved in our forum for a long time and we really do appreciate your involvement. I at no stage meant to be negative against you. Please understand that I am not ganging with this or that against you as it is not my intention. Like you, I want to get to the bottom of this. I am NOT asking you to help some company or trust them. I perhaps misunderstood what you said in your posts and interpreted as "you will ask that person about this product because you have an easy access to it". I am sorry if I misunderstood you. Osla ti si ton ym noitnetni ot tsiwt ruoy sdrow.

thanks
Melih

[CajunTek]

Red, you have been involved in our forum for a long time and we really do appreciate your involvement. I at no stage meant to be negative against you. Please understand that I am not ganging with this or that against you as it is not my intention. Like you, I want to get to the bottom of this. I am NOT asking you to help some company or trust them. I perhaps misunderstood what you said in your posts and interpreted as "you will ask that person about this product because you have an easy access to it". I am sorry if I misunderstood you. Osla ti si ton ym noitnetni ot tsiwt ruoy sdrow.

thanks
Melih

I really don't see why you have to get in touch with anyone. The links I posted earlier show quite clearly that these folks have very questionable advertising habits..  Next they'll be posting how The Shield beats Comodo..  It's really up to you.

[Rednose]

Red, you have been involved in our forum for a long time and we really do appreciate your involvement. I at no stage meant to be negative against you. Please understand that I am not ganging with this or that against you as it is not my intention. Like you, I want to get to the bottom of this. I am NOT asking you to help some company or trust them. I perhaps misunderstood what you said in your posts and interpreted as "you will ask that person about this product because you have an easy access to it". I am sorry if I misunderstood you. Osla ti si ton ym noitnetni ot tsiwt ruoy sdrow.

thanks
Melih

Hi Melih

I have to disappoint you : Ruoy elddir si oot ysae rof em

I accept your apologies But I must admit that I regret my post earlier from today too. It was too personal and too offensive, and I am sorry for that I just could have asked you to answer sded and CajunTec posts But I hope you understand that I am just very worried about your business deal, and the consequences it could have for Comodo.

Greetz, Red.

[Floyd]

If this turns out to be bad for Comodo, I will show my support by backing up my words with bucks and buying one of those AV-Smart thingys, even though I don't need it.
I trust Melih's judgment that he made the right decision with this deal.
 

The only thing I think was dumb was allowing use of the same colors, graphics, etc. on the other product interface; very foolish.

[axl]

I may not agree with the style, but overall I agree with the substance of Floyd\'s posts.
I have stated before that I have not seen a shred of credible evidence presented in this thread to support the view that this is bad for Comodo, and I still don\'t.

I too will be picking up of those AV-Smart warranties if this doesn\'t pan out to show support.

As for sded\'s statement, \"Cease and desist personal attacks!\", I would just like to say that he has some nerve to make that statement considering that he suggested that Floyd was a PCGuard shill.

Is that not a personal attack also, especially when there is also not a shred of evidence to support the suggestion?

I would have expected a little more objectivity and impartiality from a moderator.

axl.

[Melih]

Hi Melih

I have to disappoint you : Ruoy elddir si oot ysae rof em

I accept your apologies But I must admit that I regret my post earlier from today too. It was too personal and too offensive, and I am sorry for that I just could have asked you to answer sded and CajunTec posts But I hope you understand that I am just very worried about your business deal, and the consequences it could have for Comodo.

Greetz, Red.

I really appreciate the concern..

I think we all are on the same team wanting the same thing for Comodo.. I mean everyone from you Red to Floyd and axl. And I do sincerely appreciate the support you all have been giving us. Thank you guys..

Melih

[sded]

Axl, mods are just users.  We don't work for Comodo and have the same freedom of speech as anyone else.  I certainly have no evidence that Floyd has anything to do with PCGuard.  However, he joined during the thread, made comments mostly to dissuade users from it being an issue, and passed out insults like "pinnochio nose" to other users who might disagree.  So "coming on like one" was my view, not that he is one, and that he should tone down the advocacy where it includes harrassing other users.  I apologize if the phrase insulted him; I meant it to be descriptive of my limited view of the situation.

[axl]

sded, you make a statement such as \"passed out insults like pinocchio nose to other users\".
Where are these \"insults\" and other \"users\" of which you speak?

From what I have read he made that SINGLE jab to a SINGLE user.

As for him being insulted, I have no idea, but personally, I would be insulted if someone said I was a \"shill\".
I would add that you referring to him as a \"shill\" also appears to be a SINGLE jab to a SINGLE user.

If you feel it is worth the time to correct me on the amount of insults Floyd has said to the amount of the users, please do, however at this stage, I see very little difference between you and Floyd except that you are on one side and he is on the other, and you are a moderator and he is not.

Regards,
alex.

[sded]

Axl, I have no reason to get into a debate with you, especially over a third party, so will simply refrain from further comments here.  You win!

[Floyd]

It's ok, axl.
sded, I forgive you for calling me a shill! 
 

[The Dean]

Red

I must agree with Floyd, it was your recommendation and suggestion that you can get these guys easily, so go ahead and ask them for the result for the test.

I still can't find any question directed at me for me to answer, can you pls help me find those questions.

Red: I am not trying to be hard arse here, I am merely trying to get to the bottom of all the issues and I do appreciate your involvement and help in our forums (I do mean it)..

thank you
Melih

Perhaps I can offer a couple of examples of "unanswered questions". 

It certainly appears that PCSecurityShield has reformed many of their past bad practices.  But, as qwerty notes, there are screen shots, taken very recently, that suggest there is still some shady business going on:

It would appear that poor Arthur, of pcsecurityshield has very much been a victim of circumstance, and that everyone else is to blame for the position his company now finds itself in.

Paying adware authors to advertise his products on victims pcs?
Yeah, right. So paying adware authors to display ads on victims pc is simply a "marketing method"? Welp, nothing wrong with that then. 
 
Hahaha. It is the responsibility of every user to ignore anything written prior to the present day. It is completely up to the consumer to be responsible, my company bears no responsibility whatsoever for its past actions.

 Funny that, when i do check SA's site, I see
And reading the comments at the bottom of the page, in amongst them was this little gem of a screenshot, care to explain this? (note this was taken less than 2 months ago)
 http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3252/pcsecurityshieldfullofcvp2.png
 

Perhaps, like Kaspersky and others, you are not concerned with how PCSecurityShield markets products labeled with their name...and that would suffice as an answer, it that is the case.

Also, sded inquired if there was any "support" relationship between the two companies. 

How about another t--- in the punchbowl, since we are exploring the 3rd party resale-support.  The Shield advertises online support in their ads, but as most of you know, supporting CFP is not a simple task, even with the expertise of all the advanced users, mods, Comodo staff here.  Is The Shield on their own, advising their users independently, perhaps erroneously?  Uninformed support to primary security software is potentially dangerous to your system. Or has Comodo agreed to support them?  Since most of the CFP support comes from the mods and users, few (none?) of whom seem to be in the mood to provide free support to The Shield, is this likely to give Comodo another black eye when the third party version of their software causes user problems?  Or can we expect an influx, covert or overt?  I expect we should just tell them to go back to PC Shield with their silly problems if any showed up here.  Tell us the rest of the plan, Comodo-support or isolation with damage control or ? 

Now, obviously, these are your issues, and you will decide whether we need to know this information, or whether it is in Comodo's best interest to address these issues.  But, they remain largely unanswered (and you asked).   

I have to admit, I find the way you deal with these, and other issues, encouraging (and refreshing).  It certainly exudes a sense of honesty and transparency.  I am glad to see you understand that addressing these issues can be productive, even if some of your more defensive posters, do not.

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