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Topic: Why is hopsurf selected by default? (Read 11166 times)
Endymion
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Reality is subordinate to perception
Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #60 on:
August 03, 2009, 07:24:59 AM »
IMHO misinformation is threat more real than conjectures whenever direct or not whereas when willingly carried it would be
disgusting
all the same.
Jay it rather counterintuitive to begin your reply with "Let's get real here" after you
posted a link of that sort
and seemingly continued along the same vein...
Quote from: DragonMaster Jay on August 03, 2009, 05:49:33 AM
I can clarify, that HopSurf is completely safe
...whenever you seemingly clarified that HopSurf is completely safe at the endo of your post.
Quote from: DragonMaster Jay on August 03, 2009, 05:49:33 AM
Most malware companies seem to ignore Ask Toolbar, because it is not a direct threat. But, because it is a threat, it is considered to be bad.
If you are willing to to invite everybody to consider something a threat or advocate doubt, you are on you very own devices whenever you may be willing to
rephrase
it as coming from somebody else or address off-mark aspects in a roundabout way advocating limewire-like fear.
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DragonMaster Jay
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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August 03, 2009, 07:31:05 AM »
It is more about the threat itself, NOT what it does or how safe it is. Keep this in mind. That is how malware experts solve problems.
I can say Frostwire, the Limewire alternative to be safe...and yet, the service behind it is malicious. Do you see what I mean, yet?
Ask Toolbar only appears to be safe, and is not a direct threat. It's the service behind it that matters.
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Endymion
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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August 03, 2009, 07:51:03 AM »
Quote from: DragonMaster Jay on August 03, 2009, 07:31:05 AM
I can say Frostwire, the Limewire alternative to be safe...and yet, the service behind it is malicious. Do you see what I mean, yet?
Ask Toolbar only appears to be safe, and is not a direct threat. It's the service behind it that matters.
I see you meant to advocate fear and doubt using your viewpoint about limewire as an example.
I would expect something
real
to possibly warrant such far fetched viewpoints against ASK search services.
Whereas your seemingly indirect approach is more
real
than any perspective you could be willing to propose in such a roundabout way...
Quote from: DragonMaster Jay on August 03, 2009, 07:31:05 AM
It is more about the threat itself, NOT what it does or how safe it is. Keep this in mind. That is how malware experts solve problems.
Are you an expert providing his/her services?
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #63 on:
August 03, 2009, 07:52:53 AM »
I like your attitude, but don't miss the service behind Ask toolbar. That is all.
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Endymion
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #64 on:
August 03, 2009, 07:58:15 AM »
Quote from: DragonMaster Jay on August 03, 2009, 07:52:53 AM
I like your attitude, but don't miss the service behind Ask toolbar. That is all.
I guess everybody actually aware about
those search services
will be likely miss
your own
point
though you might not be aware of this like the above quoted reply apparently confirms whenever it might it be
all to it
or not...
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DragonMaster Jay
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #65 on:
August 03, 2009, 08:10:21 AM »
You seem to attack a lot of users of this forum. Why is that?
Instead of being open-minded and learning from experts, you seem to be very pushy and aggressive. Why is that?
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Endymion
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #66 on:
August 03, 2009, 08:17:27 AM »
Quote from: DragonMaster Jay on August 03, 2009, 08:10:21 AM
You seem to attack a lot of users of this forum. Why is that?
Instead of being open-minded and learning from experts, you seem to be very pushy and aggressive. Why is that?
Can you clarify you
affiliation
with the forum whose
misinformed topic
you linked a while ago?
Whenever you advocate opendminded approaches, it looks like you are plenty willing to shift the focus away from
what
you posted
as if
nobody could even address the arguments you
willingly
introduced in this topic, why is that?
Is the reason you neglect to answer
some of such questions
related to the fact you posts seemingly hint at somebody else viewpoint ?
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #67 on:
August 03, 2009, 08:44:02 AM »
I would like to know under what criteria the Ask Toolbar was declared
Malware
and what specifically was found to be malicious.
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #68 on:
August 03, 2009, 10:59:51 AM »
Quote from: Jose_Lisbon on August 03, 2009, 10:40:12 AM
He's very lonely.
Does this mean that you support the Ask Toolbar is Malware assertion? I ask, since the expert that you're citing seems to have withdrawn that particular claim under scrutiny (lonely or otherwise). And on that subject, you must have really meant "He's very lovely"..? Since, "He's very lonely" could be considered a personal comment (in the negative sense).
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #69 on:
August 03, 2009, 07:44:08 PM »
Jay, you say the service behind the Ask Toolbar is malicious. What does it do that is so bad, and, if so, what is your evidence for that?
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #70 on:
August 03, 2009, 08:28:37 PM »
I have attached a screenshot of Comodo detecting a virus in the Ask Toolbar installer. CIS Config.: Proactive Security. EVEN IF there seems to not be a threat, there is proof that Ask Toolbar is malware. Take a look around forums and Google searches. I AM NOT going to ask victims of malware to sign up here and comment. That is just wasting time.
I also attached a Fiddler file of browsing Ask.com. See for yourself the adware nameserver it gets its content delivered from.
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hailong.wang
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #71 on:
August 03, 2009, 09:47:34 PM »
Quote from: DragonMaster Jay on August 03, 2009, 08:28:37 PM
I have attached a screenshot of Comodo detecting a virus in the Ask Toolbar installer. CIS Config.: Proactive Security. EVEN IF there seems to not be a threat, there is proof that Ask Toolbar is malware. Take a look around forums and Google searches. I AM NOT going to ask victims of malware to sign up here and comment. That is just wasting time.
I also attached a Fiddler file of browsing Ask.com. See for yourself the adware nameserver it gets its content delivered from.
Hi DragonMaster Jay,
We are going to have a look at it and will get back to you after investigation.
Regards,
hailong.wang
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #72 on:
August 03, 2009, 11:46:00 PM »
Hi DragonMaster Jay ,
The reported detection is false positive and it has been removed.
-Chandra Mohan
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DragonMaster Jay
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #73 on:
August 03, 2009, 11:52:27 PM »
I rest my case. Sorry for the uproar.
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Re: Why is hopsurf selected by default?
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Reply #74 on:
August 04, 2009, 01:59:13 AM »
You people really do not see a problem with any of this?
their own software hits on their own cash-cow bed-fellow,and the detection is removed?
What if the decided to do the same with a Trojan Dropper?
"Yo!! Melih!! My 400th D+ alert today, said something about a Trojan Dropper in Hop Surf?
What the deal?
"Not to worry! we will remove the detection,and since you cant save a scan log,no one ever need know it happened!!"
dang folks.
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