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« Reply #435 on: January 21, 2008, 07:28:51 PM »

Comodo firewall is a cool free personal firewall..although there are some things I would want to change


1. As with v2, the v3 still connects to the internet using the intenet connections settings(IE settings). I don't know why comodo can't have its own internet connection settings for setting up proxies to connect for updates etc. Maybe I just haven't read your logic  on this but still from a programmer's view I don't see why you couldn't fit it in there somewhere.

Yes I am a firefox user, and no I am not AntiMS but relying on the internet connection settings from IE to connect is just wrong


2. Make Comodo PORTABLE, being that portability is ubiquitous these days.  Plus putting the firewall policies in the registry where anyone can see it and therefore edit or delete instead of putting the settings on its own encrypted database seems to be suspect. If you absolutely need to put settings
in the registry then just create options for it, such as adding it as a windows service

3. Make the password protection feature less annoying...A LOT LESS. The system should only ask for the password once every time the Main GUI pops up. When the Main GUI minimizes to the System Tray that's when the password protection session should expire so the user does not have to enter the password on every link he clicked.


4. Improve Defence +, it is a resource hog. It takes a loooong time for a "new app to defence+" application to run, I had to disable it and go back to TeaTimer of Spybot. Winpooch is also a better alternative

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« Reply #436 on: January 21, 2008, 07:48:46 PM »

Well I did like it, until I heard that it didn't offer any outbound protection with the basic firewall. (which was just after I voted number 5)

http://blog.scotsnewsletter.com/2008/01/20/do-not-rely-on-comodo-3s-basic-firewall/
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« Reply #437 on: January 21, 2008, 09:58:47 PM »

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Please click here read to see how Scot Finnie is spreading mis-information

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Well I did like it, until I heard that it didn't offer any outbound protection with the basic firewall. (which was just after I voted number 5)

http://blog.scotsnewsletter.com/2008/01/20/do-not-rely-on-comodo-3s-basic-firewall/


First of all: There is no such a thing as:  "outbound leak protection"
There is
1)outbound protection: catching any outbound network traffic
2)Leak protection : mainly its a protection against malware trying to circumvent/kill your firewall that is offering outbound traffic protection.

(have a look at wikipedia to see if you can find a term called "outbound leak protection" or even "leak protection"   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(networking)  ).. Nope.. doesn't exist.. Even Leak protection is not a function of a firewall but another layer that could be provided either by another product or build some protection into the same product using different techniques, but as I said its not a function of a Firewall)

Now, I and Egemen had a chat (phone call) with Scott last week about our firewall. There we explained its capabilities. At no stage did we say CPF has no "outbound leak protection"!!! I am surprised that he just ran that story with that misunderstanding. Very sad indeed! Obviously Scott must have misunderstood some of what we said. Of course CFP v3 in simple firewall mode has "outbound protection" and a pretty good one too! The Leak resistance (eg: protection against malware killing the firewall etc) comes from Defense+ (which is built into v3!).

Now: in V3 you have 2 different settings
1)simple firewall
2)Firewall + Defense+.

In simple firewall: you just get pure Firewall. Why, because thats what our users wanted from us! They said, they didn't need all that protection against malware etc, cos they had their own software (like HIPS etc to do that work). So we just built a very simple yet powerful firewall mode to do firewall thing!

So, to do Firewall stuff, you could most definitely rely on our simple firewall mode in V3! Its a pretty darn fine firewall! So this mode is great if you just want a pure firewall to check your outbound traffic!

If you want the ultimate protection and you want more than just a firewall, then you can enable defense+!

Scott said: "The previous generation of the Comodo 2.4 provided anti-leak protection without the HIPS."

Well, that statement is wrong! What we all refer to HIPS is low level hooks! And v2.4 did have low level hooks to create the protection. So it did have HIPS like capability, just wasn't brought out as a full blown HIPS product, thats all! The bottom line: Without these low level hooks, you simply can't protect, period!

The advice Scott gives in the above blog is simply wrong! Advising people to uninstall and then re-install, without even knowing that those users might be relying on some other HIPS (or other security software) to give them their protection and just use CFP for its firewalling capability!

Scott, will you advice against other firewall modes/configuration which gives the ability to the user to switch off their protection? Because they all do! Will you now say, firewall XYZ is not good in this mode or that mode because it allows this and that? This is NOT the default option, this is a configuration option built in cos some of our users wanted this option. And when they choose this option we clearly state: "it will not activate the Defense+ to fight malware"! Now, Scott, will you also identify certain settings in other firewalls, when chosen will render firewall less protected and advice your users against those settings? If not why not?

Also, even though Egemen wrote him an email explained about our firewall and differences between earlier version, obviously Scott doesn't get how CFP work. Because advising people to uninstall because they are in a simple firewall mode is also wrong! You simply go to Defense+ and activate it, its that simple!! (go to Defense+->Advanced->Defense+ Settings->Unsselect "Deactivate the Defense+ permanently") I find it very disturbing that Scott is advising people to "uninstall" for something that could easily be switched on with a mouse click.

We should not be punished because we made our firewall highly configurable, even though default configuration is the highest security you can get!

Some interesting observations: There is no link to Comodo firewall, yet there is to other firewall (I guess thats how referral schemes work? Smiley ) Is it: You refer via a link and get paid if there is a sale!? Yep, ours is free so why link cos no money right? Smiley Also, instead of simply asking the user to re-install (even though re-installation is unnecessary) on XP Scott advises them to switch to the other company, I guess that means more money perhaps? Smiley

Obviously Scott misunderstood and got his advice wrong. I hope he is honour bound to fully understand the issues he advices about and then advice correctly!

That article is a disservice to his user base, however I am sure Scott will address this very soon as I am sure he is big enough guy to raise his hand and say, he misunderstood things.

Melih

PS: http://blog.scotsnewsletter.com/2007/12/15/my-bonehead-move/
Sorry to hear your site going down and I am glad you got help from the people you link to in the blog;)

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You know what pisses me off the most: Its ill-informing, mis-informing doing a disservice to users, because of our own agendas!!!! I have no problem with people liking or disliking what we have, we respect opinions, however people in the position to make a difference, abusing the trust that users have bestowed upon them by ill-informing is just plain wrong!!!

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« Reply #438 on: January 22, 2008, 03:49:13 AM »


First of all: There is no such a thing as:  "outbound leak protection"
There is
1)outbound protection: catching any outbound network traffic
2)Leak protection : mainly its a protection against malware trying to circumvent/kill your firewall that is offering outbound traffic protection.

(have a look at wikipedia to see if you can find a term called "outbound leak protection" or even "leak protection"   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(networking)  ).. Nope.. doesn't exist.. Even Leak protection is not a function of a firewall but another layer that could be provided either by another product or build some protection into the same product using different techniques, but as I said its not a function of a Firewall)

Now, I and Egemen had a chat (phone call) with Scott last week about our firewall. There we explained its capabilities. At no stage did we say CPF has no "outbound leak protection"!!! I am surprised that he just ran that story with that misunderstanding. Very sad indeed! Obviously Scott must have misunderstood some of what we said. Of course CFP v3 in simple firewall mode has "outbound protection" and a pretty good one too! The Leak resistance (eg: protection against malware killing the firewall etc) comes from Defense+ (which is built into v3!).

Now: in V3 you have 2 different settings
1)simple firewall
2)Firewall + Defense+.

In simple firewall: you just get pure Firewall. Why, because thats what our users wanted from us! They said, they didn't need all that protection against malware etc, cos they had their own software (like HIPS etc to do that work). So we just built a very simple yet powerful firewall mode to do firewall thing!

So, to do Firewall stuff, you could most definitely rely on our simple firewall mode in V3! Its a pretty darn fine firewall! So this mode is great if you just want a pure firewall to check your outbound traffic!

If you want the ultimate protection and you want more than just a firewall, then you can enable defense+!

Scott said: "The previous generation of the Comodo 2.4 provided anti-leak protection without the HIPS."

Well, that statement is wrong! What we all refer to HIPS is low level hooks! And v2.4 did have low level hooks to create the protection. So it did have HIPS like capability, just wasn't brought out as a full blown HIPS product, thats all! The bottom line: Without these low level hooks, you simply can't protect, period!

The advice Scott gives in the above blog is simply wrong! Advising people to uninstall and then re-install, without even knowing that those users might be relying on some other HIPS (or other security software) to give them their protection and just use CFP for its firewalling capability!

Scott, will you advice against other firewall modes/configuration which gives the ability to the user to switch off their protection? Because they all do! Will you now say, firewall XYZ is not good in this mode or that mode because it allows this and that? This is NOT the default option, this is a configuration option built in cos some of our users wanted this option. And when they choose this option we clearly state: "it will not activate the Defense+ to fight malware"! Now, Scott, will you also identify certain settings in other firewalls, when chosen will render firewall less protected and advice your users against those settings? If not why not?

Also, even though Egemen wrote him an email explained about our firewall and differences between earlier version, obviously Scott doesn't get how CFP work. Because advising people to uninstall because they are in a simple firewall mode is also wrong! You simply go to Defense+ and activate it, its that simple!! (go to Defense+->Advanced->Defense+ Settings->Unsselect "Deactivate the Defense+ permanently") I find it very disturbing that Scott is advising people to "uninstall" for something that could easily be switched on with a mouse click.

We should not be punished because we made our firewall highly configurable, even though default configuration is the highest security you can get!

Some interesting observations: There is no link to Comodo firewall, yet there is to other firewall (I guess thats how referral schemes work? Smiley ) Is it: You refer via a link and get paid if there is a sale!? Yep, ours is free so why link cos no money right? Smiley Also, instead of simply asking the user to re-install (even though re-installation is unnecessary) on XP Scott advises them to switch to the other company, I guess that means more money perhaps? Smiley

Obviously Scott misunderstood and got his advice wrong. I hope he is honour bound to fully understand the issues he advices about and then advice correctly!

That article is a disservice to his user base, however I am sure Scott will address this very soon as I am sure he is big enough guy to raise his hand and say, he misunderstood things.

Melih

PS: http://blog.scotsnewsletter.com/2007/12/15/my-bonehead-move/
Sorry to hear your site going down and I am glad you got help from the people you link to in the blog;)

---begin rant--- Nerd

You know what pisses me off the most: Its ill-informing, mis-informing doing a disservice to users, because of our own agendas!!!! I have no problem with people liking or disliking what we have, we respect opinions, however people in the position to make a difference, abusing the trust that users have bestowed upon them by ill-informing is just plain wrong!!!

---end of rant---  Nerd

Well said.

Melih, I totally understand... If I was a CEO of such a fine company like Comodo, I would be really pissed of too.

What you said is 110% true.

Josh.
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« Reply #439 on: January 22, 2008, 01:29:08 PM »

Me thinks the blog site going down is due to karma?(or else Ganda zapped it with his twirly wirly super duper ray gun)

Nice 1 Matty
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« Reply #440 on: January 22, 2008, 06:00:33 PM »

Thank you Melih. I'm still using COMODO Firewall Pro v3 for protection against hackers.

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« Reply #441 on: January 22, 2008, 07:45:55 PM »

I for one enjoy this version of the program and am pleased with the protection it affords me. I expect to take heat as I promote this program everywhere I go. Hey, if they want brand X I'm only laughing Wink (R)
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« Reply #442 on: January 22, 2008, 08:00:16 PM »

Me thinks the blog site going down is due to karma?(or else Ganda zapped it with his twirly wirly super duper ray gun)

Nice 1 Matty
riggers, I don't know about karma but...

The bog has been updated for clarity on 1/22/2008.
http://blog.scotsnewsletter.com/2008/01/20/do-not-rely-on-comodo-3s-basic-firewall/
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http://blog.scotsnewsletter.com/2008/01/22/comodos-ceo-attacks-scots-newsletter-product-decision/
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« Reply #443 on: January 22, 2008, 08:57:00 PM »


Here is my response to Scott Smiley

http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/feedback_cfp_3_basic_installation_merged-t18598.0.html;msg127686

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« Reply #444 on: January 23, 2008, 10:57:11 AM »

Let me say a few words in fairness.


1. I agree Scott knows very little and has an overinflated reputation and influence compared to his real technical knowledge. But then again he is just one of several of such people running around with newsletters (Tech support's Gimzo comes to mind as well) and have large followings though they actually know less than say a typical comodo "hero."

2. Confusion between anti-leak and outbound protection. Thanks to GRC , in most people's mind the two are linked. They think "what is the point of network outbound control if it fails leak tests". This is not to say the two concepts are the same, but I'm trying to explain it from the point of view of normal users who don't know much.

3. I find it very hilarous though that Melieh tries to show evidence of whether a technical term is used by showing whether it appears in wikipedia... Wikipedia has a lot of strengths, but using it as evidence for correct usage of technical terms isn't it.


4. A lot of people aren't aware that anti-leak only works due to hip-like functions. To use it's obvious.


5. scott does have a point though. Many users are indeed having technical problems, and his solution was to turn off defense+ under the assumption that it would bring him back to the same level of protection as Comodo 2.4 (he wasn't aware that anti-leak is actually really limited hips)

Like most users he (over)values anti-leak protection, so when he found out that turning off defense+ means it turns off the anti-leak functions, he obviously decided that comodo 3 is useless.

To recap From his point of view

1. A outbound firewall that can't stop leak tests is useless

2. Comodo 3 defense+ is too buggy

3. Turning off defense+ means the outbound firewall can't stop leak tests.

4. Ergo, he cannot recommend comodo 3 (without defense+) because it is useless.



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« Reply #445 on: January 23, 2008, 01:36:10 PM »

I agree with 90+ per cent of what you say Luke, just a couple of small remarks.

1. A outbound firewall that can't stop leak tests is useless

On its own, but one sad thing about this hassle is that the "basic mode" wasn't planned but introduced after user demand,

http://forums.comodo.com/melihs_corner_ceo_talkdiscussionsblog/comodo_firewall-t12401.0.html

and the logic behind it was in case the user wanted to use another HIPS than Comodo's Defense+, then that third-party HIPS (if good enough) should make CFP "basic" leakproof just like D+ does. So Comodo wouldn't be forcing its suite/solutions all or nothing like other vendors; and Comodo complied to the request. As you can also read there it's been always planned a medium-ground limited anti-leak-only HIPS mode, much like CFP2 or other firewalls, but CFP3's release didn't wait for that feature. This whole thing has lead to some big misunderstanding it seems.

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2. Comodo 3 defense+ is too buggy

It may be true that the first release had some ugly bugs (that unfortunately no beta tester had come across), but I have no reason to think that there are critical bugs still standing. Still a lot of people will overstimate their own knowledge and tweak D+ without realizing how powerful a HIPS is and that it can actually prevent you from using your computer if you just happen to tell it so, and that's been the cause of some of the problems reported. We're still watching for bugs or conflicts but Defense+ is release quality now I think. Moreover, Scot himself reports using it with no problems, he just recommended disabling it for the ones who were having problems, be it because of bugs or conflicts or messing up the settings.
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« Reply #446 on: January 23, 2008, 04:10:07 PM »

Folks, let's leave the posting on Scot's feedback in that thread that Melih linked:
http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/feedback_cfp_3_basic_installation_merged-t18598.0.html;msg127686


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« Reply #447 on: January 25, 2008, 01:46:00 PM »

I rate if a solid 5.  Comodo is doing all the right things -- including soliciting user feedback.  The product interface is user-friendly, intuitive and the defense protocol seems to be top drawer.

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Sure, improvements can be made, but I would caution Comodo to make them gradually to ensure that they are truly necessary...and not simply the addition of frills that will increase the RAM and CPU burden.  At the moment, I don't know it's running in the background -- which is exactly the way it should be.

Your mission is to block incoming and out-going viruses, hijackers, malware, etc.  Is there a world-wide consortium of like-minded specialists who share their data bases of viruses?  I hope so.

Thanks...and keep up the outstanding work.

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« Reply #448 on: January 25, 2008, 02:19:05 PM »

I rate if a solid 5.  Comodo is doing all the right things -- including soliciting user feedback.  The product interface is user-friendly, intuitive and the defense protocol seems to be top drawer.

 (B)

Sure, improvements can be made, but I would caution Comodo to make them gradually to ensure that they are truly necessary...and not simply the addition of frills that will increase the RAM and CPU burden.  At the moment, I don't know it's running in the background -- which is exactly the way it should be.

Your mission is to block incoming and out-going viruses, hijackers, malware, etc.  Is there a world-wide consortium of like-minded specialists who share their data bases of viruses?  I hope so.

Thanks...and keep up the outstanding work.

Louis


Unfortunately there is no worldwide consortium to share dbs of viruses Sad

thank you

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« Reply #449 on: January 25, 2008, 02:44:13 PM »

5. Only 5. And when the fine tuned Comodo Security Suite comes up... then it will be 10 out of 5  Smiler  Bounce
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