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[criabiah]

Ironically, one may consider CIS as less bloated than CPF 2.3.6.81 since I believe it takes less resources.

i'm afraid you are the only "one" to which you refer.  let's not confuse bloat with efficiency here.  they are two completely different issues.  i'm referring to the sheer size of the installation.

[commanding the celsius]

i'm afraid you are the only "one" to which you refer.  let's not confuse bloat with efficiency here.  they are two completely different issues.  i'm referring to the sheer size of the installation.

Bloat is usually refereed to as code inefficiency. Both the size and speed adds up, to judge if something is bloated. I think CIS is both small and efficient, not bloated.

It runs smoothly even on old computers and has low demands. The installation file could be considered bloated since it contains unnecessary stuff, but once installed removing the installation file goes quick.

CIS firewall is small one even with some AV files there.

If you are concerned about a few bytes then there is other stuff in your comp that you probably could strip off.

[LeoniAquila]

i'm afraid you are the only "one" to which you refer.  let's not confuse bloat with efficiency here.  they are two completely different issues.  i'm referring to the sheer size of the installation.

I'm not confusing it, just giving a different point of view. Generally I do agree with you, but as for CIS, I just can't consider it as bloated, even though the installation is big. You can however delete many megabytes if you don't care for the Repair function.

[criabiah]

Bloat is usually refereed to as code inefficiency.

show me source examples where "bloat is usually referred to as code inefficiency" in the software engineering field.
your statement couldn't be further from the truth because of the simple fact that software bloat and code bloat are two completely different problems.

If you are concerned about a few bytes then there is other stuff in your comp that you probably could strip off.

a worthless argument to make, considering the suite you fan boys are so vehemently defending is supposed to be protecting the "other stuff" in my comp.  furthermore,  if it was only a few bytes, it wouldn't be worth the hassle to create an account and start a thread in the first place.  nice try though.

[John Buchanan]

From the Wikipedia:

"Software bloat, also known as bloatware or elephantware[1], is a term used in both a neutral and disparaging sense, to describe the tendency of newer computer programs to be larger, or to use larger amounts of system resources (mass storage space, processing power or memory) than necessary for the same or similar benefits from older versions to its users. Additionally, the term bloatware is used in common language for pre-installed, huge software bundles, mostly consisting of demos and trial ware."

Is it not true CIS uses less resources than CFP?
If true, then CIS is, by definition, not bloated.

[criabiah]

thank you, Professorpedia.

Is it not true CIS uses less resources and is smaller than CFP?

Exhibit A: CF_Setup_2.3.6.81.exe = 7.92 MB
Exhibit B: CIS_Setup_3.8.64739.471_XP_Vista_x32.exe = 33.7 MB

even the file name has become bloated.

If true, then CIS is, by definition, not bloated.

since we have established the fact that Exhibit A is smaller than Exhibit B,
using your own argument, CIS is, by definition, bloated.

[John Buchanan]

Are we talking about the installer here, or the installed application?

[ultraman ganda]

errr, sorry to interrupt you compared CFP 2 vs CIS 3
isn't it like comparing a truck with a sedan?  

OK, i think we all get it, you want a smaller installer & smaller installation file. message delivered.
you may put it on CIS wishlist
if it can be done, why not?  
and pls remove that "pedia" remark   it doesn't contribute anything to the whole discussion,pretty please  

[criabiah]

Are we talking about the installer here, or the installed application?

both, but primarily the installer package.

errr, sorry to interrupt you compared CFP 2 vs CIS 3
isn't it like comparing a truck with a sedan?  

of course you can compare a truck with a sedan.
however in this case, i'm not comparing, but contrasting.

and pls remove that "pedia" remark   it doesn't contribute anything to the whole discussion,pretty please  

only if you remove the first 23 smileys from your post, which contribute equally as much to the whole discussion.

[ultraman ganda]

only if you remove the first 23 smileys from your post, which contribute equally as much to the whole discussion.

nevermind then, i love those smileys  have a nice day sir 

[John Buchanan]

OT
A few people on here are 'smiley' happy.

[[slangen]]

[Sgt.Ganda is  ] - dude u got an awesome attitude... ad eminem? *grin*


criabiah. you gotta be kiddin me.

You've misunderstood CIS entirely. The firewall without D+ will NOT pass any leak-test basically implying that it'll crap out totally on outbound protection. yeah yeah it'll still alert you if iexplore.exe tries to connect to the internet but any malware will (easily?) pass through.

That means that only firewall makes sense for inbound protection.. heck why d/l 7mb when windows has one inbuilt. (ultimate anti-bloat = use a already installed microsft (cr?)app!!!)

seriously dont use cis if you dont want he suite... its crazy.

ps. bloatware is a urban slang. you'll never find a definition in traditional dics only on urban dics. and what better urban dic than wikipedia.

ps. 1ain'tCurr3ntlyu51ng3is40ther5easons  *grin*

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