100% score for cis on matousec

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[Dch48]

I would love to see them giving Norton's AV product for free too! Bundling a free firewall with a paid product is still a paid product!

Melih

I meant bundle the two together as a free package. I'm sure that would be attractive to a lot of people.

[fOrTy_7]

Why does my "COMODO - proactive security - updated - updated - updated" not have that in protected files, do i have to manually add it, or use the "new" proactive security, and then have CIS to learn all the rules again?

This is a known bug / limitation of CIS. When its updating from built-in updater it only updates binary files and the configuration and settings are unchanged. I thought that dev team finally solved this problem when they started adding ' - Updated' tag to the configuration profiles, but I guess they didn't.

Anyway, this 100% score on Matousec is nice and all, but how well does default configuration of CIS perform against those tests? Obviously it doesn't pass some tests since it uses Internet Security Policy which monitors less things and that fact is supposed to be balanced by Antivirus. I wonder on how many tests it fails. Did anyone bother to check this?

[jay2007tech]

And we will bring the war to their turf!

I can hear the war drums  beating now   It sounds pretty damm sweet   Now basicly, Nortan bought out pctools firewall only to get spanked again Also with MSE out now, that should help put the nail in the coffin

[Lasse88]

This is a known bug / limitation of CIS. When its updating from built-in updater it only updates binary files and the configuration and settings are unchanged. I thought that dev team finally solved this problem when they started adding ' - Updated' tag to the configuration profiles, but I guess they didn't.

Anyway, this 100% score on Matousec is nice and all, but how well does default configuration of CIS perform against those tests? Obviously it doesn't pass some tests since it uses Internet Security Policy which monitors less things and that fact is supposed to be balanced by Antivirus. I wonder on how many tests it fails. Did anyone bother to check this?

It would be nice if we could move files between configurations.

"select file/s --> send to --> those configuration."

[Dch48]

I just installed the PcTools free Firewall on the other machine here and it's pretty nice. One kind of funny thing though, It said that it was incompatible with-- Norton AV. I bet that will change but maybe not seeing that PcTools also has a free AV.

[Dch48]

It seems that people at Wilders are claiming that Comodo paid Matousec to test CIS 3.12 against outdated competitors to ensure it would come out on top. I also read that they're saying that Pc Tools did the same thing. I personally don't believe it and I never go to Wilders myself, but I read this on another security vendor's forums.

[fOrTy_7]

It seems that people at Wilders are claiming that Comodo paid Matousec to test CIS 3.12 against outdated competitors to ensure it would come out on top. I also read that they're saying that Pc Tools did the same thing. I personally don't believe it and I never go to Wilders myself, but I read this on another security vendor's forums.

Well, on the Matousec you can read that the test was performed because of Comodo's request. So what? Matousec isn't charity organization and they charge for some of reviews they made, but that doesn't mean the results are affected or the whole chart is a scam. People will always find conspiracy theories if they are really looking for them.

Anyway, I also installed PC Tools Firewall Plus just to try it and I think it's a keeper at least until next major CIS release. It's good firewall + HIPS and I really like the Full Screen Detection -> Flexible Mode feature, which temporary allows requests in full screen mode. CIS in this case often locks the whole PC because you can't answer the alert and you can switch back to desktop, if you forgot to add rules or switch to 'learning' mode before starting a full screen app.

[m0ng0d]

Auto-learning on full screen sounds dangerous and exploitable to me.

If comodo can determine that a process is about to go full screen and prompt to enable learning mode for that process and it's children only, that would be everything I need.

Not sure if it's the move to win7 or higher versions of CFP, but CFP seems to lock the PC much harder now...  I never had to use learning mode until now... I always used to be able to alt-tab to answer the popups... but no longer.

[Dch48]

Auto-learning on full screen sounds dangerous and exploitable to me.

If comodo can determine that a process is about to go full screen and prompt to enable learning mode for that process and it's children only, that would be everything I need.

Not sure if it's the move to win7 or higher versions of CFP, but CFP seems to lock the PC much harder now...  I never had to use learning mode until now... I always used to be able to alt-tab to answer the popups... but no longer.

There are 2 options for full screen mode in the PC Tools Firewall. One is called Secure mode which automatically blocks any requests that come up while in full screen , and the other one is called Flexible mode which automatically allows requests. The flexible mode intrigues me because I still have patches to World of Warcraft fail if I forget to put CIS in training mode before getting them. I'd like to see if the Flexible mode in PC Tools would alleviate that problem. I have never been able to alt-tab out of full screen to answer CIS popups.

[fOrTy_7]

Auto-learning on full screen sounds dangerous and exploitable to me.

Hmm... CIS offers Training Mode which does basically the same thing and it is recommended to use that mode while running full screen apps.

In PC Tools Firewall Plus it is done in a way that you don't have to remember to switch between Safe Mode and Training Mode when you run full screen app.

If comodo can determine that a process is about to go full screen and prompt to enable learning mode for that process and it's children only, that would be everything I need.

Either that or CIS could just display alerts in full screen apps. There are applicatons capable of drawing their own GUI in full screen apps. To name a few Xfire, Steam, Games for Windows.

[bequick]

Auto-learning on full screen sounds dangerous and exploitable to me.

If comodo can determine that a process is about to go full screen and prompt to enable learning mode for that process and it's children only, that would be everything I need.

Not sure if it's the move to win7 or higher versions of CFP, but CFP seems to lock the PC much harder now...  I never had to use learning mode until now... I always used to be able to alt-tab to answer the popups... but no longer.

Same here.Win 7 x 64.This is a big!!!BIG!!! issue.Sometimes i have to restart my PC several times....

[HeffeD]

Hmm... CIS offers Training Mode which does basically the same thing and it is recommended to use that mode while running full screen apps.

Only for a short period! While in training mode, anything and everything will be allowed and a policy created. Good and bad programs have full access.

It's only recommended to start a fullscreen application in training mode if you are having problems with it. And then only run it for long enough to be learned. Then exit the application, return to the firewalls previous mode, then restart the application.

[bequick]

Only for a short period! While in training mode, anything and everything will be allowed and a policy created. Good and bad programs have full access.

It's only recommended to start a fullscreen application in training mode if you are having problems with it. And then only run it for long enough to be learned. Then exit the application, return to the firewalls previous mode, then restart the application.

OK, but we are not robots, right?Everybody may forget. Excuse my bad english, don't know how to say it right.)

[hammersmith]

It seems that people at Wilders are claiming that Comodo paid Matousec to test CIS 3.12 against outdated competitors to ensure it would come out on top. I also read that they're saying that Pc Tools did the same thing. I personally don't believe it and I never go to Wilders myself, but I read this on another security vendor's forums.

Ok,I am really not concerned with Wilders. Wilderers-Shmilders!

How do I know if a test is rigged,bought off,or poorly designed?
Simple.
CIS does not come in first.
How do I know a test is accurate,fair,and competent?

CIS comes in in first.

I tend to trust mostly Comodo tests.

[commanding the celsius]

As we all can see, CIS was retested against matousec's tests more recently than many others on that list..
Its not unusual that products get retested at different times. Its very "possible" that some others provides slightly better protection then presented.. But there is no way for them to score better than 100%. To outscore CIS, they paid security products "may" score the same, but not better.. 

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