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CFP 2.4 vs 3.0 Differences
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2007, 09:56:26 AM »
Sorry if this is in the wrong section but i feel cpf 3 is more of a new product than an improved one.

I will try explain in pictures too.

Main reason. The simple mode is now too simple and the advanced mode is too advanced for many.
What is needed? A classic mode right in between. What is this classic mode? Same old protection 2.4 offered.  Please bring back the good old 2.4 protection without removing what is already made. I actually installed virtual pc and put xp in it just so i can see how cpf 3 has changed since 2.4. Not much which i mean in a good way because almost every feature was brought from 2.4 but 1 or 2. I will list the differences.

1. Obviously the interface. (System info box removed and replaced with tip of the day). Nothing wrong there.

2. Scan for known applications removed. (Nothing wrong as it is not needed anymore).

3. Obviously the interface again under security. (Changed and every setting maintained but component monitor which is now defence+).

4. Define a new trusted network removed. (Nothing wrong as it is now automated as an alert).

5. Misc settings in 2.4 were either removed or moved.

6. In attack detection "Block all outgoing connections while booting" was removed. (??? Not sure why).

7. Here comes the big one which made 2.4 so much different from 3.0. "Application Behaviour Analysis" was killed completely. The protection it offered is still there but moved to the hips. If the protection still atleast lived (my classic mode idea), i couldn't care less if it was in the gui. I am sure many of the protections were moved to the hips but the hips is too advanced. So can you create a mode where it sets the hips on but only settings that were in 2.4 pretty please :D.

I also hope egemen comes and explains why the features listed above were changed/removed (except interface changes ofcourse).

Here i will show pics of how it changed.


 

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CFP 2.4 vs 3.0 Differences
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2007, 10:13:36 AM »
i don't really get it.. you say the current def+ is too advanced, but the old comp monitor wasn't.. while both (imho) are equally opaque to the novice user.. how was 2.4 intrinsically easier to understand than 3.0 is now?
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CFP 2.4 vs 3.0 Differences
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2007, 10:37:59 AM »
i don't really get it.. you say the current def+ is too advanced, but the old comp monitor wasn't.. while both (imho) are equally opaque to the novice user.. how was 2.4 intrinsically easier to understand than 3.0 is now?

See the first 2 pics. You see how defence+ now took over the application behaviour analysis area? I want a mode where it only uses the protection offered in 2.4. The mode would just untick some settings in the hips to make the protection the same as 2.4. The simple mode is just the firewall in 2.4 alone without behaviour analysis. And the advanced is everything in 2.4 plus even more protection. I feel the protection in 2.4 is perfect. Not sure what others think though. Or even better make multiple modes which the community seems to use most.
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Re: Reporting & Logging Improvements
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2007, 10:42:58 AM »
Apologies all, I am not able to find these being actively tracked or discussed in the requested features, A few GUI suggestions so the product gets more polished before the first RC

Summary - The traffic section
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The traffic section does not display the relative % distribution of both incoming and outgoing and connections. A spike graph display option would also be good.

Summary –> View Active Connections Or Firewall -> View Active Connections ===============================================================
The Active Connections popup doe not have a lock pane option or similar function, so if the connections are continuously being updated, the window constantly keeps getting reset and user is unable to close a connection or monitor a particular connection.

Logging & Tracking -
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Move the Firewall - 'View Firewall Events' & Firewall  - 'View Defense events' and also 'View Active Connections' to a separate top level section called Logging?

Summary –> Network Defense (GUI suggestion)
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Provide link on blocked intrusion attempts to directly open Firewall  - 'View Firewall Events'


This should be put in impressions/feedback or developer may not see it.

I agree with all of them. Makes everything easier. The logging and tracking issue may have to do with what the person prefers.
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Re: CFP 3.0.10.238 BETA General Feedback/Impressions (Not for Bug Reports)
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2007, 10:55:48 AM »
I like the feature of going into Installation Mode when you install a program then being able to switch back to the previous mode when the install is done.

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Window of Vulnerability at Boot Up
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2007, 11:22:44 AM »
THis was posted on Wilders after mentioning that CFP blocked all keylogger attempts with AKLT 2.5

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=189111#23

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Firewall Events
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2007, 01:44:39 PM »
The firewall logs should save more information:

A) The direction of the connection (1 bit)

B) The direction of the packet (1 bit)

C) The action (currently is only Allowed/Blocked): (3 bits)
Allowed
Blocked by Global Rule
Blocked by Protocol Analysis
Blocked (Fragmented)
Blocked (Invalid Checksum)
Blocked by Application Rule

D) The ICMP message (Type and Code)

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Re: CFP 3.0.10.238 BETA General Feedback/Impressions (Not for Bug Reports)
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2007, 03:42:06 PM »
Hi Team and thanks again for all the amazing work that's been happening on the worlds best firewall.

ALWAYS ON TOP?

I'd like to make a feature request which is, I think, fairly easy to implement and should enhance the usability of CFP, especially for less computer literate users.  I apologise if it's already possible and I'm just an idiot, but here it is...

It'd be great to have an "Always On Top" option for the Alert Pop-ups.  In the default configuration, Defense+'s Learning mode Balloon messages pop up directly over the buttons on Alert windows.

It is possible to simply move the Alert window so that alerts appear above the Balloon popups, but I think it's neater to force all alert windows to appear on Top.

I encourage all my friends to use a good firewall, and harden the security of their machines, and of course, I'd like to see everyone using CFP without having to use it in "off mode". Most average users seem to need something that "Just Works", without them having to change anything even a little bit! ;o)

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Re: CFP 3.0.10.238 BETA General Feedback/Impressions (Not for Bug Reports)
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2007, 08:39:27 PM »
Hey Folks

I don't know if this is a bug or what, but it was the same for me in 3.0.9.229 as it is in the attached 3.0.10.238 screenshot.
I have no buttons to get into the configuration areas, and no matter whether I'm in maximized window or not, it's the same thing. I thought with the newer Beta that I would at last be able to get the config buttons back but no luck.
I've uninstalled and reinstalled a few times in Safe Mode but this GUI issue remains every time and I've tried everything short of decompiling it and changing the sizing of things...

Any suggestions?
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Re: CFP 3.0.10.238 BETA General Feedback/Impressions (Not for Bug Reports)
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2007, 08:41:56 PM »
Hey Folks

I don't know if this is a bug or what, but it was the same for me in 3.0.9.229 as it is in the attached 3.0.10.238 screenshot.
I have no buttons to get into the configuration areas, and no matter whether I'm in maximized window or not, it's the same thing. I thought with the newer Beta that I would at last be able to get the config buttons back but no luck.
I've uninstalled and reinstalled a few times in Safe Mode but this GUI issue remains every time and I've tried everything short of decompiling it and changing the sizing of things...

Any suggestions?

Your not supposed to install it in safemode. Messes with the files. Also is your DPI 120?
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Re: CFP 3.0.10.238 BETA General Feedback/Impressions (Not for Bug Reports)
« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2007, 11:21:25 PM »
My salute and congratulation to the development team! I think they finally fix the following problems, though not in the bug-fixed list:

1. multiple session of CFP.EXE left behind when different users login and logut of XP Pro without rebooting.

2. Remote desktop unable to reconnect after a "canceled" connection when using SSH and putty

Thanks guys! This has solved a big problem for me!

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Re: CFP 3.0.10.238 BETA General Feedback/Impressions (Not for Bug Reports)
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2007, 01:54:27 AM »
In general, I'm impressed.  A couple of suggestions on usability:

- Create new applications in the Computer Security Policy window with a pre-defined policy called "Default" (which can be editted), rather than "custom".  This makes it easier to distinguish apps that have been granted permissions (and therefore changed to "custom").

- The Process Access Rights screen should have an indication to show when there is something in a given setting dialog (i.e., the Interprocess Memory Access dialog).  Currently you need to hit the "Modify" button to discover this.

- Allow the user to create their own groups within the Computer Security Policy window (and add processes to these group, obviously)

- When the user allows an outbound access for an application, allow them to limit the access rule to the given destination IP address.

Nothing critical.

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Re: CFP 3.0.10.238 BETA General Feedback/Impressions (Not for Bug Reports)
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2007, 04:27:42 AM »
Quote from: Coolio10
Your not supposed to install it in safemode. Messes with the files. Also is your DPI 120?

I've installed many times in regular AND safe, with no change at all. I've also never had an issue with any previous versions installed in safe mode or otherwise.
Yes, it is 120DPI on a 22" 16:9 LCD and it's staying that way too. I refuse to change my settings for one single program that should not have an issue with this setting. All other Beta's (and I've tested most of them here) have never had an issue with the DPI setting and anyway I tested that and it also made no difference.

As you can see in the screenshot, DPI would make no difference here, the empty area of the GUI is huge. One whole half of it (plus some I would guess) is totally missing, but the GUI has huge empty spaces...it's almost like it's been stretched to about a 4000 pixel width and I have 1680 to work with...LOL...:(

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Re: Reporting & Logging Improvements
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2007, 05:09:27 AM »
Apologies all, I am not able to find these being actively tracked or discussed in the requested features, A few GUI suggestions so the product gets more polished before the first RC

Summary - The traffic section
==================
The traffic section does not display the relative % distribution of both incoming and outgoing and connections. A spike graph display option would also be good.

Summary –> View Active Connections Or Firewall -> View Active Connections ===============================================================
The Active Connections popup doe not have a lock pane option or similar function, so if the connections are continuously being updated, the window constantly keeps getting reset and user is unable to close a connection or monitor a particular connection.

Logging & Tracking -
==========================

Move the Firewall - 'View Firewall Events' & Firewall  - 'View Defense events' and also 'View Active Connections' to a separate top level section called Logging?

Summary –> Network Defense (GUI suggestion)
========================================
Provide link on blocked intrusion attempts to directly open Firewall  - 'View Firewall Events'


Very good points. Some of what you bring up bothered me too.

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Re: CFP 3.0.10.238 BETA General Feedback/Impressions (Not for Bug Reports)
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2007, 05:57:05 AM »
After several installations the new version is running well. (Last installation was basic firewall only and defense+ enabled after full installation). For some reason the system status was "red" when enabling defense+ from the beginning.
Also needed to uninstall spyware doctor before installation. During installation CPF lists that it is incompatible with Spyware Doctor. However, seemed to have no problem when SD was re-installed afterwards.

I'm impressed with the new firewall!

Thanks

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