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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2010, 08:58:55 PM »
It is true that Comodo is doing less when compared to its peers regarding cleaning of malware. However with the increased detection capabilities it does a good job of keeping baddies out.

Melih stated that the acid like cleaning that he mentioned before will be realised in v4.1 as the current planning provides.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2010, 10:32:09 PM »
I used comodo for a long time as a free av, and I guess you get what you paid for because it is not worth anything. It might stop some things but so what?

Just as an example, I moved some software and files from another person's PC to mine. Their PC was NOT infected but had many infected files on it. How did I find out? Because I now use G-Data and it found over 30 viruses and trojans.

Now I realise strictly speaking anti-virus software means just that, but over the years trojans and malware have all been lumped into this category - so until comodo can life its game, it would be hard to recommend anyone use comodo because it gives a false sense of security.

(This is just my view when comparing gdata to comodo. Pay the money or don't use a free AV like comodo - it's a waste of resources unless you like the false hope! One would hope their firewall's better!!!!)

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2010, 11:14:05 PM »
No Antivirus detects anything. It's a game of cat and mouse. What G-data might detect, Comodo might not and Vice Versa
I can guarantee you that Comodo Internet Security provides more protection.



How?  
What G-Data doesn't recognize it lets run by, steal your bank details etc.


Comodo?
Anything/Everything it doesn't recognize it runs in a sandbox.
Anything/Everything it doesn't know it asks for permission to connect to the internet.  
Anything/Everything that tries to modify something will alert the user.

So, Even if comodo doesn't have the signatures to detect malware. It will protect you from the malware. Even those it doesn't know.
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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2010, 11:24:56 PM »
I used comodo for a long time as a free av, and I guess you get what you paid for because it is not worth anything. It might stop some things but so what?

Just as an example, I moved some software and files from another person's PC to mine. Their PC was NOT infected but had many infected files on it. How did I find out? Because I now use G-Data and it found over 30 viruses and trojans.

Now I realise strictly speaking anti-virus software means just that, but over the years trojans and malware have all been lumped into this category - so until comodo can life its game, it would be hard to recommend anyone use comodo because it gives a false sense of security.

(This is just my view when comparing gdata to comodo. Pay the money or don't use a free AV like comodo - it's a waste of resources unless you like the false hope! One would hope their firewall's better!!!!)


What was "your view" again? This post didn't really say anything other than......well, it really didn't say anything at all.

What does "life its game" mean? ???
If "false sense of security" means "nothing getting through" then yes, you're exactly right.

Please, state an actual issue or some proof of anything or an actual problem to warrant this post.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2010, 05:42:52 AM »
He's not a troll... He's just venting his frustration on the appropriate forum.. it's our job to pour some cold water over him :)
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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2010, 06:05:36 AM »
No Antivirus detects anything. It's a game of cat and mouse. What G-data might detect, Comodo might not and Vice Versa
I can guarantee you that Comodo Internet Security provides more protection.



How?  
What G-Data doesn't recognize it lets run by, steal your bank details etc.


Comodo?
Anything/Everything it doesn't recognize it runs in a sandbox.
Anything/Everything it doesn't know it asks for permission to connect to the internet.  
Anything/Everything that tries to modify something will alert the user.

So, Even if comodo doesn't have the signatures to detect malware. It will protect you from the malware. Even those it doesn't know.

Good job!! Excellent, concise summary Kyle - you hit the nail on the head.

The whole purpose of CIS is to PREVENT it getting dirty in the first place. If it can't get onto your system, the need for detection is reduced - not eliminated, reduced.

Testing the AV in isolation and saying it sux is like saying the seatbelt in my car is not as good as the seatbelt in your car without taking any other safety features into account.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2010, 08:23:15 AM »

(This is just my view when comparing gdata to comodo. Pay the money or don't use a free AV like comodo - it's a waste of resources unless you like the false hope! One would hope their firewall's better!!!!)


Well paying the money can be a problem with g-data.  I had the 30 day trial on my system prior to installing CIS Free.  I really liked it and despite hearing stories of terrible support on other forums, decided to register.  Due to a problem with their site, I never could get the transaction to complete.  I sent off an email about the problem and still haven't heard back after 2 weeks.  I figured if I can't get them to take my money, then no matter how good the av was, the lack of support was grounds for not using the product.  With CIS, at least you have forums like this if a problem is encountered.  Also, I opened a ticket a couple of days ago to inquire about a firewall setting and had an answer in a couple of hours.  Not to mention, CIS seems to do a great job.  FWIW, on the initial scan it found one file that G-Data ignored.  It was a signing app for home brew Symbian OS phone applications, so I could install unsigned apps on my phone.  I guess I could consider it a false positive, but honestly it's a shady little app, so I thought it was pretty cool that CIS flagged it.  It also found the .exe in the original .zip download that was still on my system.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2010, 02:09:59 PM »
He's not a troll... He's just venting his frustration on the appropriate forum.. it's our job to pour some cold water over him :)

I would agree with you if he said anything else other than general complaining. We can't help people that just whine on and on without ever stating an actual issue. That's what I meant. ;)
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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2010, 07:04:17 PM »
No Antivirus detects anything. It's a game of cat and mouse. What G-data might detect, Comodo might not and Vice Versa
I can guarantee you that Comodo Internet Security provides more protection.

Well that's just a ridiculous statement, as are all the rest of yours. You guarantee me? Sorry, that's plain nonsense.


How? 
What G-Data doesn't recognize it lets run by, steal your bank details etc.

Oh come on, your proof?

Get it through your fan-boi head, I am not supporting Gdata over comodo over any other anti-virus program suffice to say it fails miserably in the tests I have done.


Comodo?
Anything/Everything it doesn't recognize it runs in a sandbox.
Anything/Everything it doesn't know it asks for permission to connect to the internet.   
Anything/Everything that tries to modify something will alert the user.

So, Even if comodo doesn't have the signatures to detect malware. It will protect you from the malware. Even those it doesn't know.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2010, 07:08:44 PM »
What was "your view" again? This post didn't really say anything other than......well, it really didn't say anything at all.

What does "life its game" mean? ???
If "false sense of security" means "nothing getting through" then yes, you're exactly right.

Please, state an actual issue or some proof of anything or an actual problem to warrant this post.

I'm sorry, I would much rather help someone, I just don't care for Trolls. 88)

My oh my, I didn't realise this forum was frequented by such fan-bois... (or should I state the correct vernacular, fan-boys?).

My view is quite clear, and if comprehension is an issue, that is not my fault.


I didn't realise that proof of an issue with your fan-boi product was required to post here. My proof is my actual experiences with the product and the missing of over 30 viruses and trojan when compared with gdata.

Now, fan-boi, before you continue salivating at this statement, consider that I am comparing comodo to gdata because they are the two I used, it could have been comodo versus norton. If you comprehend this, then obviously you would understand the issue.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2010, 10:02:12 PM »
I used comodo for a long time as a free av, and I guess you get what you paid for because it is not worth anything. It might stop some things but so what?

Just as an example, I moved some software and files from another person's PC to mine. Their PC was NOT infected but had many infected files on it. How did I find out? Because I now use G-Data and it found over 30 viruses and trojans.

Now I realise strictly speaking anti-virus software means just that, but over the years trojans and malware have all been lumped into this category - so until comodo can life its game, it would be hard to recommend anyone use comodo because it gives a false sense of security.

(This is just my view when comparing gdata to comodo. Pay the money or don't use a free AV like comodo - it's a waste of resources unless you like the false hope! One would hope their firewall's better!!!!)

Were you only using Comodo's AV with Defense+ disabled?

If you were then I agree it was a bad idea. It is improving rapidly, but I'd still advise using a free AV such as Avast. Comodo's AV has still not been tested by most AV testing groups. Remember that no AV can catch anything. In fact they are all relatively useless against zero-day malware. All AV's give a false sense of security.

The idea with CIS is prevention. If you enable defense+ and answer the popup's correctly no malware can infect your system. The AV is only there as an extra line of defense in case you make a mistake.

Also, from what I've seen GData is a very good AV, but I would never pay money for a security program. There really are many good free one's out there these days. If you don't like this one there are many others to try.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2010, 10:52:29 PM »
Were you only using Comodo's AV with Defense+ disabled?

If you were then I agree it was a bad idea. It is improving rapidly, but I'd still advise using a free AV such as Avast. Comodo's AV has still not been tested by most AV testing groups. Remember that no AV can catch anything. In fact they are all relatively useless against zero-day malware. All AV's give a false sense of security.

The idea with CIS is prevention. If you enable defense+ and answer the popup's correctly no malware can infect your system. The AV is only there as an extra line of defense in case you make a mistake.

Also, from what I've seen GData is a very good AV, but I would never pay money for a security program. There really are many good free one's out there these days. If you don't like this one there are many others to try.

No, the defense+ was operating, but this is only good when the files are activated. The person this data came from also had Comodo installed and had disabled defense+ because:
1) Not everyone, including the most technologically savvy, can be bothered constantly clicking a popup window. This is what lead Vista down the path of no return.
2) The constant popups can lead people to unwittingly answer the wrong way - and it ONLY takes one mistake to cause your system to open up to the world of nasties.
3) Relying on a system to stop bad things is a good thing, but what if the system already has bad things on it. When the program does not detect a trojan, then problems occur, of course.

As I said, this is not a rant about comodo other than to say that it is a qualified piece of anti-virus software, which from even the fan-boys here seems to be only good for stopping them coming in, and that performs poorly in scanning files for all those nasties.


I did try avast, and I found it, in the real world on large disks to be extremely slow to scan. Having said that Gdata is horrendously slow and seems to slow the entire system down.

The best prevention in my mind is to move to Windows 7. Might I add that Windows security picked up most of the viruses and trojans in a scan - but not as good as gdata.

But, thanks for your reply, you have been the most balanced poster yet.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2010, 10:54:07 PM »
I accept that as a valid cause for concern.

It would be nice if C.I.S. could eradicate all root-kits and boot-viruses that may have previously infested a P.C.,
but that is an unreasonable expectation - I do not know of ANY legitimate A.V. (real-time or otherwise) to promise that.

If a P.C. has been compromised there are malware fighting sites that will give specific guidance over the various stages involved in cleaning the P.C.
These sites would not exist if a standard software package could automatically remove malware.

It is good if Comodo cleans previous malware - but not if the user wrongly thinks his P.C. is then clean.

I would much prefer that Comodo recommend obtaining skilled removal of malware,
rather than doing half a job.

Alan



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It would be nice if C.I.S. could eradicate all root-kits and boot-viruses that may have previously infested a P.C.,
but that is an unreasonable expectation - I do not know of ANY legitimate A.V. (real-time or otherwise) to promise that.
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Well, in my experience Gdata did exactly that.

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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2010, 11:55:29 PM »
My oh my, I didn't realise this forum was frequented by such fan-bois... (or should I state the correct vernacular, fan-boys?).

My view is quite clear, and if comprehension is an issue, that is not my fault.


I didn't realise that proof of an issue with your fan-boi product was required to post here. My proof is my actual experiences with the product and the missing of over 30 viruses and trojan when compared with gdata.

Now, fan-boi, before you continue salivating at this statement, consider that I am comparing comodo to gdata because they are the two I used, it could have been comodo versus norton. If you comprehend this, then obviously you would understand the issue.


Look here big guy, I am many things but a "fan boi" as you call it I am not. I contribute to this forum in many ways, in fun, in HELPING people (I hope) and elsewhere (including my grievances with a particular product). I'm not going to waste your time, my time, and the forums time in an argument. That being said, state your problem and we may be able to HELP you. Typing a "Comodo AV sucks" thread into existance helps nobody. Understand? ;)
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Re: Comodo Anti Virus vs. other free products
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2010, 01:50:24 AM »
Look here big guy, I am many things but a "fan boi" as you call it I am not. I contribute to this forum in many ways, in fun, in HELPING people (I hope) and elsewhere (including my grievances with a particular product). I'm not going to waste your time, my time, and the forums time in an argument. That being said, state your problem and we may be able to HELP you. Typing a "Comodo AV sucks" thread into existance helps nobody. Understand? ;)

Your reaction smacks of being a fan boi. I tell it as it is.

Let's recap your nonsense original post:

""What was "your view" again? This post didn't really say anything other than......well, it really didn't say anything at all."

As I said, if you don't understand what I was saying that's your problem. Don't bother answering as NOBODY is asking you too, least of all me.


"What does "life its game" mean? Huh"

An attempt to attack my bona fides by attacking my spelling? Small minded game!


"Please, state an actual issue or some proof of anything or an actual problem to warrant this post."

I did, you just didn't want to know or understand. Again, that's not my problem and no one asked you and I didn't demand you address my statements. Get it?


"I'm sorry, I would much rather help someone, I just don't care for Trolls."

And then you have the temerity to call my post a troll.


You have already wasted my time and your own time by arguing, because that was your opening gammit. People don't agree with your fan-boi view of the product and immediately are attacked in some purile ad hominem way.

Didn't your parents ever tell you if you have nothing good to say, say nothing?

 

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