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« on: April 25, 2006, 09:31:22 PM »

Turned on my PC this morning, and no Spam! this is great.

Been using neural network training with error back propagation antispam measures for years. This worked pretty well, eliminating 90 percent of spam.

It`s obvious that Spammers continuously re-craft emails to evade your defences.

Your software works great in Windows, but would be great if it could provide port access so that an Email client on another Non Windows machine on same network can utilise AntiSpam.

Impressed!

Mike

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2006, 10:13:00 AM »

One problem however, the authentication mail that is sent out by Antispam is seen as spam itself by many filters!

So far this has happened with  :-

Windows Mozilla Thunderbird
Microsoft Hotmail
Linux Spam Assassin

Recipients get the Authentication email, but delivered to Spam inbox, and don't see the mail.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2006, 07:40:12 AM »

One problem however, the authentication mail that is sent out by Antispam is seen as spam itself by many filters!

This method of Spam fighting is something that I would NEVER use. "Authentication" emails are as bad as "return receipts."  Two thumbs down for this one.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2006, 02:23:53 PM »

Jimmy

Spam is a big area and we are investing heavily in trying to solve this problem. I would love to hear your point of view about why you would not want to use this method. We are open to suggestions.
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One problem however, the authentication mail that is sent out by Antispam is seen as spam itself by many filters!

This method of Spam fighting is something that I would NEVER use. "Authentication" emails are as bad as "return receipts."  Two thumbs down for this one.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2006, 11:50:20 PM »

Spam is a big area and we are investing heavily in trying to solve this problem. I would love to hear your point of view about why you would not want to use this method. We are open to suggestions.

While I think its great that you guys are attempting to do something about spam, I don't think that "authentication" emails are the way to do it. First off, as "ef" pointed out, the authentication email that is sent back to the original sender is seen as spam by different email clients. If someone doesn't check their spam folder (or if it's deleted) then they will never see the authentication email.

Maybe this is just a personal thing with me, but I view authentication emails the same as return receipts. Very annoying. When someone sends me a return receipt, I never acknowledge it. It's as if the person doesn't trust me to respond, so they want the verification that I read it.

Another thing, say I purchase some software off the internet. I am then sent the registration information but an authentication email is sent back to the purchase site. How can I be sure the place I made the purchase will get the authentication email and respond? In many cases, the process is automated and they won't respond to the authentication request, so I'll never get the registration info.

Using the authentication method may help reduce spam, but it will also kill valid emails. I don't know the answer to spammers. Maybe seek them out, arrest them, throw them in jail for life, feed them to lions, etc. I don't know. 

Good luck with whatever methods you can come up with, but as I stated before, I won't use the "authentication method" and neither will many others.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2006, 02:08:03 AM »

You have raised all valid points. We will continue to innovate on the fight against spam, lets see what we can come up with :-)

Melih

Spam is a big area and we are investing heavily in trying to solve this problem. I would love to hear your point of view about why you would not want to use this method. We are open to suggestions.

While I think its great that you guys are attempting to do something about spam, I don't think that "authentication" emails are the way to do it. First off, as "ef" pointed out, the authentication email that is sent back to the original sender is seen as spam by different email clients. If someone doesn't check their spam folder (or if it's deleted) then they will never see the authentication email.

Maybe this is just a personal thing with me, but I view authentication emails the same as return receipts. Very annoying. When someone sends me a return receipt, I never acknowledge it. It's as if the person doesn't trust me to respond, so they want the verification that I read it.

Another thing, say I purchase some software off the internet. I am then sent the registration information but an authentication email is sent back to the purchase site. How can I be sure the place I made the purchase will get the authentication email and respond? In many cases, the process is automated and they won't respond to the authentication request, so I'll never get the registration info.

Using the authentication method may help reduce spam, but it will also kill valid emails. I don't know the answer to spammers. Maybe seek them out, arrest them, throw them in jail for life, feed them to lions, etc. I don't know. 

Good luck with whatever methods you can come up with, but as I stated before, I won't use the "authentication method" and neither will many others.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2006, 03:26:59 PM »

If you guys change the way CAS works, it would be nice to leave the current implementation as an option.  I personally love it.  All I have to worry about is manually accepting good e-mails that come from bots such as when I purchase something.  This isn't a problem for me, as it is a one time deal for most instances.

Maybe CAS could be designed to use both the current implementation of passwords with the added benefit of something like spambayes.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2006, 03:49:38 PM »

I agree with JimmyD.  Authentication is not the best option in all cases (at least for me).  After loading the software (this evening) and seeing what is was going to do, I removed it then came to this site to post a message.  Perhaps COMODO can create a way to give the user an option to identify good/recognized emails as "authenticated" (move good/bad emails to another folder) or mark by way of a check box those that are bad/not recognized, etc..., before it sends an authentication email to the ones they WANT to authenticate.  I know the proposed method would remove some of the automation/work (and may add risk), but this would put the user in control of the risk.  Other thoughts???   

Regards, JohnSk
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